What have we done!

True what you are saying but your last line is a bit of an understatement. If my storm is strong enough to farm the mob, I'll take in any party members regardless their level since I consider "pulling aggro" also a great help to me since the more enemies they pull in, faster they'll die to my storm so it's a win-win situation. As for the dying is concerned, if they keep on dying repeatedly I just tell them not to stray far off my range and pull in the mobs under my storm if they are being chased by too many!

 

Please allow me to repost your story on the fan page I manage, this needs to be shared.
I'll make a Spanish translation of it too.

 

Love this thread instantly. ^^

 

The thing about MMO's is that they care about LVL and skill to much. This players LVL was identical as the mobs so she couldn't have done that much damage. But, kicking a player out just because a player died is unessasary. This game must not like to give players second chances. This player could have done B.nuts, but since Hearts give more exp it's understandable. This just shows how harsh some toram players can be.

 

Do as you please ^^

 

If someone's a storm mage,

The marionettes have auto aggro iirc, in which they automatically attack players who are a lower, or around the same level as them. Storm needs 0.7s to charge and as such you can't always cast storm, so some of them will die. And then you need to revive them, so the remaining people die as well. As such, the vicious cycle continues. Places like nisel mountain, aulada ancient tower and zoktzda ruins are all viable farming places, so I'd rather lower levelled players actually levelled up a bit before going to places that they can't handle.

 

Here is my argument from my point of view. Any boss except roga/empress is fine
When you want them in a party...there are few questions you have to ask yourself.

Do you have the time?
Are you capable of helping them?

We must obviously make choices. Your link to the SAO's situation truly made me emotional for that sec. Great inspirational story @Saphos

Here is a situation that tested my limit: I invited this newbie Lv12 and guided him through the game. Then when he starts moving out of sofya, every of his maps takes like 15-30mins to load. OMG, that was pretty ridiculous and idk whether am i crazy or not == to wait, and I've spent 3 hrs idling waiting for him to load maps. This make me wonder am I being too generous since he didn't thank me at all after i leveled him to Lv25 and sent him to Nisel.

How much effort are you willing to sacrifice to someone?

 

The player didn't make the lvl 45 requirement on this quest. The developers did. As far as the player is concerned, she has all the right to be there.

I think we will have to agree to disagree here. I will continue to help others and you can do as you see fit.

This thread is by no means telling you what you need to do. If this message can reach into at least one person and help change our in-game community for the better, I consider it worth-while already.

 

And you should be proud for having done so ^^ That is probably more than I would personally offer, but this tells how wonderful a person you are.

 

I actually found a lvl 52 newbie yesterday at empress tome, he said he got rushed through his mq but that was about all he knew. No gear no skills no clue really. So I decided I'd make him some armor and I have him my old md and we went and got him a magic scarf and some cspd xtals and then we farmed ooze for gear. I was a little heart broken when he said he got the ooze xtal but I told him without hesitation not to waste it on any gear or to trade it until I could get him a price check. I was a little jealous because this is the 4th or 5th time I seen the newbie get lucky with xtals while I'm plugging away for nothing but I kept my resolve and continued to coach my new chicklet and within 30min of his xtal drop I got an ooze xtal too! It felt good to have my good deeds pay off with a tangible (sort of) item. Usually the satisfaction of helping a new player understand the sometimes complicated and overwhelming world of toram is enough but continuously watching these people get the best drops can be a little defeating. Don't give up. Remember how people helped you when you were new. I also always point new folk in the direction of the forums because I wouldn't know half the things I do if it weren't for this site here. So hopefully we'll see NathaDv in the new members section soon.

 

Congrats on the xtal ^^

 

Dam this gave me the feels... especially when you made the SAO reference ;-;

 

Reality check: Those in game avatars are played by real people. So being a dick means you are being a dick to an actual person even if they are on the other side of dimension

And also this is why I love using my Pure AGI brawler. She got kicked, not liked, and she stood the test of time (Since we all know most DPS achievers don't care about them). Now She can handle herself well as a stunner in empress and a so-so tank in Roga and keep some lowbies alive who just want that oh so good Killer coat. I'm not picky during farming either, even if I'm the only mage in pt I don't mind (After-all being in pt means better spawn rate too so it's all good to me)

 

kudos to you sir!

 

Never wrong partying faem runs with noobs but i wouldn't take a lv20 on a Nms farm cuz Ik they Tryna leech then leave :0 it's then leecher a that ruin my trust a nub mentality lol.

 

I get the emotion behind this, but you're all(well some) being too dramatic. The day Toram becomes SAO I'd feel for you but these are animated pixels executing algorithms and initiating rolls, not some life or death game where we die if we get ko-ed or we need to scrounge around the beginner town for apples that spawn every 3 hours so we don't starve. Don't get me wrong, I've met some good people here. Hell, a whole guild of them(shout out to Night Parade <3) and I've always helped newbs when I have the patience, but you're letting some silly romance get in the way of reality.


The reality is that new person needs to go through the ropes. How many hours did I spend farming small articles back in the day, as a 2h(because I was too hard headed to make a mage) back when the level cap was 50? Way too much. She/he is trying to skip towards the end without going through the motions. You can help if you want, sure, but to feel bad for them to the point where you bad mouth a whole community? Please, you're being too sentimental.

The fact is, hitting a suitable level to farm Marionettes isn't even difficult as long as you take things gradually. If you want to be power leveled, just be wary of the fact that there are people who've spent months getting to the point they are, months of their own time sunk into an endless grind and for what? To boost a newb who isn't even quite sure how to play the game?

The way I play Toram isn't the way everyone does and I'm not the competitive type either, btw. I farm alone because that's how I prefer it. Some people don't want to spend 3 hours with a newbdoing something they can do in half an hour with an efficient party. Not everyone has the time or motivation. Those are my two cents anyway.

 

Amen



(To Satan ofc)

 

"You can say a level 46 should not be there. To me, she is over 45 and she is entitled to doing that quest as much as a level 80. So for you cold-hearted people out there, save your breath on this response.
It was not the best for the party, but it was the right thing to do for our community."

I've played WoW for 11yrs and this elitist mentality is old hat for me. Still, I'd be lying if I said I'm used to it or that I approve of it even after all this time I've had to get used to it.
In a game that you have to pay to play, there's a justification for being a snob about party qualifications. Wasting someone's time can be argued as also wasting someone's money.
I long ago gave up trying to enlighten the elitist snobs in that world.
Toram is a different story. It's free. There is no legitimate justification for being elitist. You want to have a party that is a guaranteed success story? So does everyone. It fun to win. It's fun to get what you want. No one would argue against that.
Helping people that need help, going out of your way to do for someone instead of doing for yourself, and giving away "valuable" items to someone who can make good use of them...these are the things that make you a real hero. Not killing a tough monster and getting a badass suit of armor.
Teach someone how to be better instead of mocking them for being at a point you were also at once upon a time.
NONE OF US STARTED OUT IN THE BEST GEAR AT THE MAX LEVEL!
Elitist snobs of Toram: get over yourselves. The items are NOT REAL. The in-game currency is NOT REAL. It's a collection of 1's and 0's.
You don't NEED anything. You WANT it. Learn the difference. Put it in perspective.
Help a player, be a hero.

 

I think everyone knows that in all games the items are not real, but they can still be exchanged for money and such, so in a sense they are in fact 'real'. Sure, you can go on about helping people but it's not so hard for anyone to go to nisel mountain and farm for nisel woods and bitter nuts.

Marionettes are a mob that deals quite high damage to people with low mdef/pdef and kills them in one shot essentially. Marionettes require the least turns in for their quest, so it's understandable that more people would go to it. But if someone's going to die in one hit, it's better if they level up somewhere else first before going to harder mobs. Being a dead weight (haha. funny joke, I know.) is pretty unfair on the party who have no doubt worked pretty hard to get to their level too.

 

Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need.

I've been observing several of conflicts regarding on player's level and classisms in game. In the end, if we just gonna matter "oh man... you're low lvl gfto my pt" or any other shit, we are not gonna get our objectives done at the end of the day. Honestly speaking, why not just focus on your own farming even if low level players joins your party? Who knows right? Just let them be and no harm right? Why care to think if they have motives to get out of this farming party?
In the end, their actions in-game does reflects on their own personality on themselves.

Test your own patience, test your own tolerance. If your pride is in the way. I have nothing to say.

@Saphos I do find her background story really sad after knowing what she's been through before I joined your party .