How Ampr Actually Works

First of all, THANK GOODNESS SOMEONE TESTED IT! Thank you Burger King!

Second of all, wow that's a limiting way to implement MP! I expected at least AMPR from MP or gears to be in base MP, especially because it's quite an investment (you lose a lot in dmg and/or survivability if you want MP/AMPR gears, unless you're rich/lucky as heck and have 2s gears).

And finally, ew Go Keyboard!

PS: Inb4AMPRnerf/changes

 

Deleted. Please accept my apology for being so immature and offensive back then.

 

Okay, I think maybe I should just post it.
Things after this was written when I was still annoyed (for some reasons, I couldn't access to the board at that time),
so just neglect the emotion I may accidentally put in earlier
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There were things I disagreed with your theories,
but as you had put a lot of effort to test it all,
I thought it might be better to point out and let you continue on testing it yourself.

But as it had been a long wait, I finally decided to test it on my own.
Before going further, maybe I should point out directly,
I had been curious that your concept about AMPR Boosting from skills was totally wrong.

the problems in your theories: you said TriggerSlash and ShadowStep can double out the AMPR from your gears & xtals
what I believe: the AMPR from gears and xtals are doubled because of being a DW,

so they're doubled since the moment you equipped with Dual Swords
and have nothing to do with the TriggerSlash and ShadowStep effects
since both skills just give you a constant AMPR regardless of your gears and xtals.​

Spoiler: What I requested you to test it

About the request to test whether it takes 12 or 14 hits,

As your DW had 505MaxMP with gears that indicated it boost your AMPR by +6
Both our theories could calculate the totalAMPR while under the TriggerSlash effect with the same results
It'd be (20 x 2timesBoostByTSlash) + ( 2% of 505MaxMP ) + ( +6 gearsAMPR x 2timesBoostByTSlash ) = 42 AMPR, with yours
and 20 + ( 2% of 505MaxMP ) + ( +6 gearsAMPR x 2timesBoostByDW ) + ( 20 TSlashConstantAMPR) = 42 too, with mine

But the differences lies in the calculation while not under the buff
According to your theories:

• AMPR from gears are doubled by TriggerSlash and ShadowStep
• This means without the effect, you gain only +6 gearsAMPR
• So 20 + ( 2% of 505MaxMP ) +6gearsAMPR = 36 AMPR in total
• This means it would take 14 hits to recover your whole MP Bar

What I believe:

• AMPR from gears are doubled from the moment you're equipped with DualSwords
• This means even without the effect, you still gain +(2x6) = +12 gearsAMPR
• So 20 + ( 2% of 505MaxMP ) +12gearsAMPR = 42 AMPR in total
• This means it would take 12 hits to recover your whole MP Bar

That was the reason I requested you to test it.

Spoiler: What I finally decided to test by myself

It's just the same as yours, only with the differences in some parameters,
I tested with:

• a Dual Wielder with 205MaxMP
• +10 gearsAMPR indicated in the Magic Swordman's Ring
• Level 10 TriggerSlash

Again, our calculations with TriggerSlash buff have the same output, 64 AMPR in total

In the case without the effect from TriggerSlash and ShadowStep
According to your theories:

• AMPR from gears are doubled by TriggerSlash and ShadowStep
• This means without the effect, you gain only +10 gearsAMPR
• So 20 + ( 2% of 205MaxMP ) +10gearsAMPR = 34 AMPR in total
• This means it would take 6 hits to recover the whole 2-MP Bars

My Assumptions:

• AMPR from gears are doubled from the moment you're equipped with DualSwords
• This means even without the effect, you still gain +(2x10) = 20 gearsAMPR
• So 20 + ( 2% of 505MaxMP ) +20gearsAMPR = 44 AMPR in total
• This means it would take 5 hits to recover the whole 2-MP Bars

The Test Result: It always take only 5 times to recover, correlated to my assumptions.

Spoiler: So, what's the point in testing this?

1. The effect of TriggerSlash and ShadowStep
   This was our main objective from the very beginning, right?
   The conclusion is, it doesn't double any of your AMPR, that's totally wrong.
   it just give you a constant AMPR proprotional to the skill level.
   You can still view it as a percentage buff.
   But as the percentage applies only to the constant 10 initialAMPR (Or 20 initial AMPR if you are DW),
   and has no effect on gearsAMPR, I think there is no longer need to think of it as a percentage.
   
   Trigger Slash skillsAMPR
   • Level 1: +1 AMPR for 1h&2h // +2 AMPR for DW
   • Level 2: +2 AMPR for 1h&2h // +4 AMPR for DW
   • Level 3: +3 AMPR for 1h&2h // +6 AMPR for DW
   • ...
   • Level10: +10AMPR for 1h&2h / +20AMPR for DW
   So, for those who wants to double your gearsAMPR, you need to be DW.
   TriggerSlash cannot help you. It provides only 10 AMPR at most for not being a DW.
   
   For ShadowStep, I haven't test yet, maybe you wanna test it again.
   
   
2. The AMPR equations:
   For NormalWP: AMPR = 10 + ( 1% of MaxMP ) + gearsAMPR + NORMALskillsAMPR
   For DualWielders: AMPR = 20 + ( 2% of MaxMP ) + 2x(gearsAMPR) + DWskillsAMPR
   and since the DWskillsAMPR = 2x(NORMALskillsAMPR)
   For DualWielders: AMPR = 20 + ( 2% of MaxMP ) + 2x(gearsAMPR) + 2x(NORMALskillsAMPR)
   = 2x[ 10 + ( 1% of MaxMP ) + gearsAMPR + NORMALskillsAMPR ]
   = 2x[ NormalWP AMPR ]

Finally, the conclusion of all tests:

I had misunderstood once long time ago,
and there was a guy called Mugami or something who seemed to cause lots of problems because of this too, I had went back and read them.
I'm not here to offense or anything, but thinking back about those things happened is a little bit annoying, so I just wanna correct them out.
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Oh, I see. It had really been updated for a while already.
My bad, I just copied the one I wrote earlier, pasted and posted without rechecking your information.
It doesn't seem to have any more error then,
and the reason of using percentage values that you clarified sounds logical too.
I think I've to say it has been a perfect guide now.
Good job!

 

i used dw but rlly i new learn how ampr works..
Really good guide for new dwielder ty info for ampr calculation ^^

 

(•_•) Nice thread n very helpful big bro BK,,

 

That bgm .....BK ex naruto

 

So... I'm a newbie and just want to know what AMPR is? What is it for, what the letters stand for, etc.. Didn't see any meaningful find in my internet search.


Thanks!

 

Attack MP Recovery. AKA how much MP you recover with auto attacks.

 

I'm still working on my dw. firstly was going for dps now realized how much more better ampr is for dw. Just wanna get 2 things straight.
1. 100ampr = 1mp bar?
2. is max ampr w/pots 250? was told it's possible

 

Yep.. 100ampr =100mp per auto idk yet but ull need alot of 2s gears to have that 250ampr

 

so for dw, 1 hit can do 1mp recovery... meaning each hit can recover (generally 4-5 hits before stopmotion)? or is it that where it does those 4-5 hits that recover 1 full mp?

 

For DW, it's 1 auto set instead of other builds' 1 auto hit.
But you can cancel auto attacks in between when there is a short "stop" in animation. It takes lots of practice and high mastery to time it well.

 

Not one hit its one auto atk dw has like 4-5hits per auto. Theres such thing as auto attack cancellation. It depends what buff would u take(shadow step or trigger) for using ampr.
Trigger slash itself can auto cancel by itself..
Shadow step cant cancel itself but the unsheathe atk after the skill will help u regain some mp with ampr
Spinning slash's ticks can trigger an auto cancellation.. Its whrn the ticks r hitting the enemy.. U can formulate ur combo urself but here are the popular auto cancellation combo

Gemini
Spinning>shadow step(save)>trigger(swift) can do 3 auto cancel(need accurate timing)
@Cypherian auto cancellation combo
Astute>spinning(smite/cons)>Shadow (cons) can do 2auto cancel but the unsheathed atk after shadow helps to regain mp..
Both trigger slash and shadow step gives 20 extra ampr its just up to u which one would u use.. ^^ enjoy the dw ampr life

 

to be clear.
szchevs combo and my combo for auto cancellation are the same.
Spinning>shadow step>trigger
Since ive been using it before he posted his combos.

The video where i use Astute > Spin > Shadow is just to show concept of how szchev did multiple auto cancellation on Tempest DW.

and that combo could do 3 auto cancels counting the auto from shadow.