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Dagger and Shield skill lvl4

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by darkzide, Oct 13, 2016.

  1. Cypherian

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    What if it affects only other people in your party
     
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    Possible to test if there's any difference for no. Of ppl standing in the aoe, or no. Of party members? (I'm not yet 110 :p)

    The first mention of this skill was in the game deet post which also said that the effect is increased with higher refines and more ppl.

    BTW the counter atk dmg is dependent on our atk? Or dmg taken? Or something else?
     
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    If it did then thats no good to us unless we use Sanctuary, tho if it did affect us then im thinking either bugged or works for fatals
     
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    is mail break proc rate or it ignores % def right away?
    is there any special effect to know if it procs?(if its proc based)
     
  5. mayam

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    Alright... I tested it with my friend
    Aggro boost and guard boost/atk nerf acts on the caster
    While dmg reduction works only on pt members
    The increased guard rate made me feel as if it reduced dmg
    Around 50-60% reduction on dmg my friend got around 339dmg without buff and 149dmg from gs final with buff my shield refined +C
    Also the icon for guardian appears on his screen but he cant see the yellow ring
    This truly is a skill for a pure tanker its kinda useless if u wanna solo
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    I am still gonna hope its a bug and they resolve it later
     
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    Then i guess u needa bully them to stay within 5m of u:p, so Sanctuary for the tank, Guardian for the rest
     
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    what about Black shield +S refine?
     
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    wait.... so Gattling knife become 50% x16 and 25% x 24!?
     
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    In Ayames test in a pt a +C shield reduced about 50-60% so maybe a +S shield would be around 80% tho i think getting +S seems impossible now unless ppl got a +S shield before the nerf, but as of yet we know the dmg reduction only works on pt members so tanks have to use sanctuary for their dmg reduction or hs with lethargy
     
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    that's useless then...
     
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    600 MP... Perfect for the infinite mana tank combo. Let's go save/swift all the way. I'll update it soon.
     
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    Did u measure it as 5m i think its around 8m at lvl10
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    Details about guard strike:-
    100% activation chance if u guard an atk
    Dmg increases based on guard power and refine on shield
    Personal highest 3.5k marble shield drop(20% gp) +C refine on a lvl1 char lvl10 skill
    Considered as a physical atk(can miss/crt)
    Can be prorated
    Affected by cdmg(useless for drillz user)
    Yet to test about guard strike:-
    Dmg increase by any stat e.g. def/atk?
    Does it do same dmg on all bosses regardless of their def?
     
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    Aggro boost is never useless for a pure tank :)
    And their are many bosses with a larger aoe(scrader,sg,jade,nure,yelb just to name a few)
    Also with it a brawler tank can finally add hs on a 1mp combo with lethargy u can reduce your dmg even more
     
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    The counter skill seems okay, but if like around 3.5k is all it does i dnt think many would get it due to wanting to spend sp in other places, but for me i probs wont be getting Guardian on my unarmed tank and definitely gunna keep knucks in sub, tho does anyone else think it's a perfect skill for supports? Especially when equipped with a bloom of peace
     
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    I thought hidden arm did fixed DMG and was unaffected by def to begin with how does this work???
     
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    it has a fixed minimum damage equal to the dagger's atk stat.
    it does more damage if you have high atk yourself.
    the fixed minimum damage is probably from Intense Knive, which also raises the proc rate to 100%.
    so this skill now increases maximum damage by taking away the monsters defense.
    =(^.^)=
     
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    Oh that sounds promising. Imagine power wave plus hidden arm intensive knife on a staff plus dagger
    :p:D:p:D:p
     
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    Both mail breaker and guardian are tempting for me. Perhaps on the right moment, I'll choose one between the two. ^_^
     
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    Be fast and furious with a dagger or
    Be Slow and steady with a shield.
    ^_^
     
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    has to be with str.
    int gives only 1 atk :p
     
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