Dodge vs. Evasion confusion

For the people that have read my guide about survival link here
I have mentioned in the evasion/FLEE/dodge section that evasion is better than dodge coz of my insufficient testing m(__)m
But after seeing the solo video by @razomaru it really struck me hard.
It was the very first time i witnessed a blue AOE fractional attack missing.
The conclusion i made in the guide that only physical, single target or circular aoes surrounding the aggro holder attacks can be evaded/dodged seems to false as it ONLY applies to evasion while dodge can be applied to any non magical attack regardless of its form if the FLEE stat is high enough.
One more conclusion from this is that all AOE attacks of the bosses seem to have higher accuracy than their normal attack which proves why i was not able to get the "miss"es on my low 250flee.
So my question is:- Is Dodge a better alternative than evasion for tanking?
I am well aware that reaching very high FLEE is impossible without adding lots of AGI so i want opinions from people that possess brawler mains char.
@RyeUshio @BlackRex
please tag other brawler main players that you know of i want as many opinions as possible tyvm^^

 

i think miss>eva for survivality if u want high dodge use npc made k.coat +potum tal that gives +60% dodge then use firest wolf cape for +dodge and fw xtals idk about the weap since im suing player made one e.e

 

I once made an evasion/dodge dw... Scrapped in now cuz its not my favored play style

As per my experience

Evasion saved me a lot more times than dodge, since dodge can only evade basic attacks ,and as you claimed those blue skills[maybe its dmg type is the same as auto attack cuz its a dps type aoe] plus dw has more dmg with unsheath attack its another bonus...

Maybe ill make one again whenever something like stat cap release will be available... Cuz its a skill tree with 3 stats to maximize dmg

 

Personally, I prefer dodge over evasion because the backward dash hinders me from attacking in succession.

In a brawler perfect world without magic and not getting hit is awesome, though that is not our case.

When you say tanking in general, we still have to dealt with those magical damage, we also need to be able to take the hit valiantly. ^_^

 

What about chars that can cap AGI as main to make semi dps (brawlers or halberds) ?
I also noticed guard/evasion can not proc on non targets while dodge can proc on any attack even if non target.
I had spent so much to get evasion set when it doesnt even help for multiple mini boss hunting -.-

 

Hmm so from your experiencemagic attacks are always undodgeable? A few instance like the frog from icule lake seems to do dodgeable magic attack haha
Also theres bosses that dont have magic attacks so flee can be better there right? Ty for sharing

 

Yeah evasion seems to be better if your flee is low but if you can reach high flee 500+ without evasion it can be better as any physical/fractional hit seems to be dodgeable.

 

Roga's slide seems like magic. Lol. ^_^

 

Literally my main build is a dodge tank -.-

 

i do

all physical/fractional attacks can be dodged, it's just like evasion.
the difference is that evasion rate is static and dodge rate can have huge variance depending on the monsters accuracy.
(and different attacks can have different accuracy)
=(^.^)=

and don't forget that AGI also raises attack speed, not just flee

 

I cant say which are better between dodge and evasion. Each serves their function.
Dodge is useful if you face physical attack, lower accuracy mob, and lower level mob.

While evasion is only activated when you re not dodging. Thats why i suggest to not have evasion build for agi based chat bec its kinda a waste. Evasion can evade magic attack either its blue or red. I saw in someones youtube last year watching FW red aoe attack is evaded. However evasion doesnt proc as much as dodge.

Personally i have 1 vit tank, low flee, with evasion based for survival. (My bunneh tank). i used this for nmare or gem run.

And 1 full AGi brawler as a semi dps tank + party prorater. Used this char to tank physical type bosses(Gk, don yeti, viola, etc). Or low dodge / eva boss which i can stunlock them.

 

Both seem good depending on what you're doing, and defensively there's also guard that I just wanna throw in cause y'know why not:

Dodge
Pros:
You avoid damage from physicals and fractionals
Activates way more often than evasion
Easier to obtain than evasion

Cons:
Does nothing against magical damage
Needs AGI to increase, so normally those with high dodge have low damage, more specifically burst and/or critical damage.
Doesn't trigger anything special as a counterattack or a buff.

Evasion:
Pros:
Avoid damage from physicals and SOME fractionals
Can be paired with Flash Blast and Parry to counterattack enemies
Not paired with other stats so you can use whatever stat you want
Cool animation ~.~

Cons:
Not easy to obtain
Doesn't activate as often as the others
Can move you to an unintended spot and get you damaged
Dodge takes priority over evasion (dodge counts as not getting hit, you need to be hit to trigger evasion)

Guard:
Pros:
Can activate and provide defense for magical and physical damage
Not paired with other stats
Can be paired with Parry and Guard Strike
Most high guard builds use shield, shields can help add HP

Cons:
Uses shields, thus lower aspd and limited to one-handed weapons (Knucks, BG, OHS, Staves)
Does nothing for fractionals (as far as I know)
You still take damage when you guard

Dodge, by what I listed, seems like best bet for tanking.
Me personally, I'll take evasion because Flash Blast builds can do a helluva lot of damage, then Guard cause I M M A R E B E L S C U M L O R D.

 

Forest wolf red AOE satisfies the condition of being physical, small circle surrounding the target thats why yep its an evadeable aoe i have tested the same for dark mash small red magical AOE but it never proced dodge or evasion.
And yeah end game full agi rest vit brawler seems to be the best tank for tanking 4x mini bosses at once.

 

1.5 yrs ago @firefox had 1 of his build agi vit brawler. Thats the only 1 decent and genuine build from him that i considered inspiring.
It was lacking of accuracy bec that time drill wasnt released yet.
But to make it works, you have to remodel your armor to light so you have high flee and hp at the same time yet sacrificing guard rate/power. Since MTL doesnt give you much survival boost, AGI could be the next stat for orthodox tank to use for.

However if you choose this path, guardian skill will not be as efficient as u wear heavy arm + heavy remodel.

 

magic cannot be dodged or evaded, only guarded.
fractionals cannot be guarded, but dodged and evaded.
some flashy fractional attacks look like magic, but they aren't.
=(^.^)=

 

You said that many times before too :V
Add a bit more then "evasion" only occurs on circular aoes which surround the target it does NOT work on linear aoes or circular aoes surrounding the boss instead of the target.
While "miss" can occur on any fractional/physical attack but needs tremendous amount of FLEE to function as the accuracy of aoes are much higher than the normal single target physical attacks.

 

because this: "Evasion can evade magic attack either its blue or red."
i also said that MD sub does not work with staff many times before and now it's also visible in-game but people still use MD with staff and expect something good to happen. i can never say things often enough

is that because Evasion is a targeted action and can't be used on non-targeting attacks?

 

Did u maxed flee skill in battle skill tree??