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Received damage as per armor def.

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by wonderjin, Mar 17, 2017.

  1. wonderjin

    wonderjin Member

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    Hi, I have got the 2 slot armor def. 10.
    But someone said the armor def is too low ,so can not use 2-h warrior or halberd. But i have known the refine is more important than the armor def.
    Plz, let me know
     
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    Refine gives more dmg reduction than def, plus lower def is cheaper so let them waste more spina on higher def items
     
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    there's no such thing as def too low for a specific class lol.
     
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    Defences have a very bad inverse exponential growth , it gives you lower dmg reduction per point of def the higher your def is , making it less effective as compare to resistances
    Here is a rough example of it :
    When your def is around 0 ~ 200 , every 10 def gives you 1% damage reduction , so if you got like 130 def , you'll approx have 13% damage reduction.
    But when it goes above 300 - 500 , it'll require you 50 points of def now for 1% damage reduction.

    and so non-vit class should reconsider at least getting 200 def for optimal damage reduction but it is not mandatory for them at least.
     
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  6. wonderjin

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    Yeah, the high def item is too expensive. Thank for your reply
     
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    Thank you for reply. I will use the items lol.
     
  8. mayam

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    People think that the value DEF will reduce that exact number of Damage taken from the enemy but thats entirely false. Its a % based reduction which keeps decreasing on higher values like an inverse exponential curve.
    Rather than paying 4-5m for a 8DEF ring if you refine both your armor and add gear to +B you will have much better defences and possibly at lower price too.
     
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    is this theory or tested?
     
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    Tested by me & @mayam
     
  12. Squid

    Squid Ur Goldfish's lover Elite Member

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    '-')7 I wouldn't reconsider 200+ def armor if it'll cost me millions...
    Rather spend 13k/stk of revs and 3k vita 2s :') #BrokeLyfe
     
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    He meant the def stat not the gear def
     
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    Squid Ur Goldfish's lover Elite Member

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    Ooooooooo that makes sense then
     
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    I see. If you have spina to buy def 60 armor it wont be a waste coz you get 5% reduction extra not using advgarb.
     
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    Non-vit classes that uses light armor on an adv garb would have a hard time reaching 200 def anyways so it is "not required" for them to reach it , but who knows when will that miniscule 10-15% dmg reduction might come in handy , might save you for being 1 shot'd so that's why theres a part to "reconsider" at least.
    Not really, Most people have the notion that 2slot is better than 5% dmg reduction +1slot and I also agree with them , besides if you use light arm , that def will go lower reducing it to 3% instead of 5%.
     
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  17. Squid

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    '-')7 The one shot is real
    I hated it so much in the past I've put in vit cause I got tired of dying (Cause I get lazy with dodging and take all the hits like an M)
     
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    200def is easy to reach with armigma 65def and if you are using add gear like goth hat 36def even with light armor without any vit as the def calculation is so weird normal ---> light transition only reduces 24def. Though if you use arrow sub it will ruin your extra def.
    About 2s it depends on the class for example mage you really wanna use heavy armor and not light armor so that you dont miss out the mdef from INT so 2s low def is more useful for mages than other classes coz of the extra xta slot.
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    Also @Neric my complete test on def its link can be found on my guide please do check it out http://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/guide-to-survival-and-defences.22518/
     
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    Someone work this out
    Toon lvl115
    no arm dmg taken 352 def 66
    arm dmg taken 256 def 637
    Toon lvl120
    no arm dmg taken 351 def 53
    arm dmg taken 262 def 335

    Arm has 10% res on it also
     
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    Remove 10% res on arm to make it more accurate. You cant test it like this way.
     

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