Is DEF completely useless since it doesn't Increase your resistance?

As like the fractional this was another convo @Alzarith and me had on line.

I used the coryn.club stat calculator *keep in mind the calculator isn't %100 accurate but it was the best that we could trust upon and so would you.
Anyways I tried a Full VIT 255 @ LVL150
albeit the physical resistance hasnt increased in the slightest.

Maybe a stat mishap done by asobimo? What do you think?

 

@BK. @SirEgg @mayam

 

I'm no scientist~ I just craft the stuff~ but as far as I can tell, there's only a slight difference in effect between an D10 Adventure's Garb vs a D71 Praetor~ If defense was such a huge factor, 2s adventurer garbs wouldn't be nearly as popular as they have been. Then again what do I know~ I'm not scraping the bottom of the barrel for every single advantage in the game xD

U peeps are insane~

In my eye~
More Def = Lots of $$$ --even if nobody knows what it's actually good for--


Also papa bless that coryn.club site~ I see a bright future for it someday

 

Of course, now all the experts are gonna waltz right on in and demonstrate how this entire time, I've been wearing the armor backwards or some obvious button that activates le-defense stats lol

 

I'm about to mack you and make you into my side *insert obvious word.*

 

that's the million dollar question~ If what Epsilon stated is correct, which I also believe 2b true~ them ppl just like to waste munny on the higher defense stuff cause it's so magical & shiny~

Maybe Tankers have found some difference, but that is unlikely, and still not proven.

Aside from the pot requirements of some stats, I personally believe you can get by just fine without all the defense hype around~ and save a TON of $$$~ however, pls don't listen to any of my advice!! I need to make munny off of you all still!! Otherwise my smithy is gonna waste away

 

I'll make munny off of all your friendzy's then~ No matter where the evidence lies, there's always a buyer out there~

 

I understand EVERYTHING →doesn't.....

 

2s Adv Garb is easier to get than Higher Def 2s Armors

 

Cause everyone just pours into the tech stat, it increases the 2-slot chance but at the same time, most 2-slot gears of any type have crap Pot cause lots of ppl don't bother to make a half-way decent vit BS ~ or any other for that matter lol

I'd do the same but my pride holds me back~

 

I just thought about changing it to *most* ppl cause I have friends aside from myself who do it like you do too~ and if that's true, then good for you Hana~ Keep giving smiths a good rep

 

xD I remembered when someone told me they were a Vit Bs and they Poured 255 Tech and 60 Vit to craft an Armor

 

Maybe I'm just going insane but I absolutely HATE that lol! I know a few ppl like that and then they go off advertising themselves as elite xx-smiths, urghhhhhhh~ not that I'm a cream of the crop best o teh best 1% godlike vit smith, but at least I do have standards xD

 

Tech Smith=THUGLIFE

 

Yea,But Im referring to 255 Tech 60 Vit Arm Bs xD

 

You cant get physical resistance from any main stat.
Useful stats are usually always the toughest to obtain can only get them from gears.
Def isnt completely useless its just that its efficiency reduces drastically after 220 value.
200-220 is optimum def no need to get any higher than that.
200def = 20% damage reduction which is equivalent to 20% resistance.
For the extra nerdy part you can check this graph which shows damage recieved vs. def see how the slope of the line breaks at point (225,300)

 

How the hell did u figure any of that out?! That's all I wanna know! xD

that chart tho

 

Step1) Ditch work and actual studies.

Step2) Login and go to zotka ruins. Grab pen and paper and note down the data of your def and corresponding damage taken by the 4th hit of golden skeleton for at least 10-15 different pair of values and plot the points on a graph (damage taken vs. corresponding def) paper the {1 - (damage taken by d1 def)/(damage taken by d2 def)}*100% gives you the % reduction in the damage taken when def is increased by d1 to d2 (d2 > d1). Calculate % reduction for values on def d1 = 50 and def d2 = 225 will give you approximately 16% damage reduction very near to the limit of 200 def in round figure. Obtain the result 0-200def 10def = 1% damage reduction.

Step3) Reevaluate your moral and life decisions and end up asking to yourself "wtf are you doing with your life?"

Step4) ???

Step5) profit

 

And this my friend shows that equip def is also important... Its just that as a dps type 1k hp+extra slot for a an attck xtal; is better than +50-ish def...

20% resist is a pretty nice

 

@mayam does the giant def boost from Gloria count towards resist

 

If you are using heavy armor (e.g. for shield mage) and got a 10def shield 10def 2s armor and 20def add (e.g. Ribbon hairband) you would still get 200+ def which is above optimum value so nope 2s is still highly recommeded for mage also considering the fact that there wont be i8m8 till lvl200.
Though I would say a arrow + light armor user who has 2s will have low enough def worth caring and not using 2s. CCC stats get outdated quickly anyway.

 

Depends on how much def you already got alzy.
Lets say if you already got 150def gloria will make it to 450 thats around 8% damage reduction according to the limits.
Protection + aegis even if they are used together will still give twice the damage reduction and thats 15%.
If you are using any 1 of them then thats 4x the reduction.

 

Better watch anime and believe in mayam ^-^

 

Efficiency of gloria depends on how much def you already have.
Consider a mage with 800mdef gloria will give less than 5% damage reduction against magic attacks which is a kinda sad expectation vs. reality curve. So many people (including me) used to think 2000def would be op :O when in reality its the same as a magic barrier wand (5% resistance).

 

lol step 4 is so true~ #totally_relatable

 

Def seems useless coz of that damm fractional damage from boss. That thing screwup def big time.
For me PR(physical resistance) and MR(magic resistance) is better for now and I Am also using vaccine when fight boss . +1k-2k rev 4 in my inv

 

defense also scales with level and and attack somehow.
the effect gets weaker when the difference between def and atk increases (or the damage?)
but it can reduce damage taken to single digits, while resistance always takes a fraction of the damage.
so, resistance is more effective against strong attacks and defense is the opposite.

an example:
Soda Potum attacks very often and deals magic water damage.
equipping an item with magic or water resistance reduces the damage slightly but it still kills you because it hits so often.
increasing magic defense (especially with gloria) has a much greater effect here.

 

I dont test at random mobs anymore most of them are bugged like the frog at icule lake uses dodgeable magic attacks. Golden skeleton only as it has 100% stable 4th hit and dmg is high enough to see the difference clearly.
I have wasted my entire life in toram researching def and resistance, their effects are exactly similiar both reduce damage based on a % its just that for def the % is gained much slower than for resistance.

And nope it doesnt scale with either attack or lvl. The difference you see is because the system subtracts your lvl from the damage taken as a flat value which is the reason why weak mobs do only 1damage to a lvl capped char its not because of the def but the character's lvl itself. Def is still less efficient when compared to resistance for two charas having same lvl.

 

The effectiveness in attacks and defense both fit asymtope, so they will have multiple parameters to set their effectiveness.

You'll notice this when you adjust your aspd greatly, and see your attack potential increase. Though your damge remains the same, it's not until you limit your atk speed dramatically that you see a drop off in your atk.

Think the same thing happens with def, but you can definitely refine and overcome it faster. Probably matters in the late game. And stopping some builds from becoming god hits.

 

interesting =(^.^)=

but when i tried "Paladin" builds i had Aegis and Gloria. while Aegis was more effective against Demon Gate's strong magic, Gloria was much better against the magic attacks of ghost and jelly type monsters
(same character at same level, both skills lv10)