4 new skills for Knight Skills tree.

These drama queens yet making fuss over 1hs?

Anyway after all that there is nothing that proves 1hs to be superior, only a hypocrite would consider 1hs superior even after good amount of penalties.

I consider both 1hs and knuckle of equal terms, with their own unique perks.

That's the final conclusion.

You yet want to act butt hurt and yet want to make more fuss over 1hs, you are welcome to do so.
I will just grab popcorn and watch circus full of clowns making fuss like drama queens.

 

No need try to teach me how party play works.

There is a good reason why I chose solo.

Unlike some of you who spend time with lame party members.
And cry over this that, Idk what not.
Do you even party with pros?

But again why would a pro join party instead of soloing.
There could two types of people in game.
1st type who are pure soloer and are capable of soloing hardest of the bosses in games.

2nd types are like lonely players, that's a joke, players who like to farm in party and excel at it, basically party pros.

I bet your party doesn't consist of party pros.
And you trying to teach me how party play works.
Like you know anything better.

 

All that aside.
I'm more interested in dmg skills.

Anyone figured out revenir formula?

 

As for fractional dmg, I did say 1hs basically doesn't have anything to protect party members.

And have you seen boss skills that activate on players who have 0 aggro?
So who gonna protect them?
Well?

 

Looks like no lv5 till next month/December

Meanwhile, New World has sort of replicated a Toram-esque system for "class-free".


A good thing new world is pc

 

Noone talking about Chakra for knux?
50% dmg reduction and +15ampr for your party members while buff is active. Plus restores 100mp if casted for all pt member but its a small point. Tbh im suprised only very few knux tanks are using it. This 50% dmg reduction for ur pt member is huge.

 

Ummm pretty sure someone who plays toram know why it's useless. Every build use gsw these days so that 50% reduction does nothing. Plus the skill need cspd for it to cast it instantly and the buff stays only for one hit which is quite pathetic. About the mp yeah it's helpful but most tanks including me prefer spirited dance if done right it's 200mp every 5 sec. So yeh chakra is pretty meh.

 

Yeah we also mentioned chakra, chakra would have been very practical if it takes 1 second or less to cast, but chakra having that pathetically long cast time makes the tank a sitting duck for a few seconds, so it's bad.

 

It's a skill for a melee range char that has a cast time.

Granted knux gainst immense cspd from agi/dex suggested stat build, it means having no VIT and/or relying on pure skill to save your ass as a tank.

The skill also disappears on one hit. It doesn't matter how strong the hit is either which makes it extremely useless for any kind of tank.

Even for full evasion dps, the skill duration is entirely too short for it to be meaningful to use in a dps cycle because lnux has to rely on chaining multiple skills for their damage.

The skill is near useless except for staff/knux which can make a spammable 0 mp support (+30% chance to restore 1mp with quick draw) combo with the skill for mp recovery, HoT and def boost. All of which are effectively useless because of decoy shot, no HP dps builds and def/mdef being useless and worthless.

Chakra also has the issue of the the stupidly long after cast animation which in combos is extremely deadly. Why the devs still opt for long combos? Idk.

The dmg reduction is meaningless before fractional, dancer skills negate the usefulness of the mp recovery as does quick draw (+15%) which almost every dps has, the ampr boost is nice but ultimately subpar when compared to shukuchi which is instant, arcane strike (save tag) which gives a whooping +40 I believe and is a great save tag ender because of the repositioning it does, guardian which just lols over that with pure duration and resonance.

Chakra is just... Thrash.

 

how much aggro+ does knight stance gives?

 

20% aggro + 10% w/shield (30% total)

and get knight will you basically get ez 50% aggro (it gives 20% aggro)

 

You sure? Cause I saw those guys showed plenty of factors that prove it. Idk if you're ignoring them on purpose or not.
Sometimes people make a fuss about somethings, mainly because of the difference in quantity, not just quality. In this case, 1hs has a lot more advantages than knux. But well, I guess you deem all those as insignificant. It's just "quantity" after all.

At least you do so. There's like 99% of Toram players thinking otherwise so it's like you vs the world here. Though, if you can show some more solid proof and stuff instead of making fun of them or mocking or insulting, they might shut up. If you can, that is.
Otherwise, enjoy being ignored for eternity
Though, I think you're already ignored by them. Might not take long before you becoming a ghost talking to yourself here.

 

When partying with randoms, things like that happen all the time. It's inevitable. Bad players always exists.

Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. It's not like everyone would consider themselves as "pros".

Because they need faster kill time? Because there are occasions where a party is required? Because a party can yield more reward?
There are plenty of reasons for them to join parties. People usually only play solo either because they want to flex something, or they have no other choice.
It's not like everything can be solo-ed.

I mean how can you be so sure? Have you seen them and their parties before?
What if their parties actually have pros? What are you gonna do?

 

You know, in Toram these days, by holding aggro and directing most attack to yourself is already "protecting party members". As one progresses, boss attacks getting stronger and stronger and hurts more, while most dps keep focusing on achieving as much offensive stats as possible, neglecting their defense. Especially when so many players are so addicted to GSW. So, buff or not, they're still gonna die with like one or two hits anyway. And even tanks can die sometimes, let alone those fragile dps.
Another thing, manual evasion is a thing. Non-tank players would use that, along with invincible skills, to avoid attacks. And they'll always try to avoid all of the attacks they can rather than taking them head-on, as some "important" buffs disappear upon getting hit. So the "protect party members" buff became much less important.
Unless the party buff can provide like 99.99% damage reduction, or global invincibility, or at least let them keep their buffs after getting hit.
And I think I've said it before, a tank's job is to hold aggro, directing most attacks to them. The moment the tank loses aggro, the party will be wiped, and the fight will be prolonged (or worst case, failed). This is Toram.
I guess you don't know since you've never played tank.

Plenty of bosses have attacks that are aimed at those who doesn't hold aggro. One as early-on as Cerberus is an example.
And the method that tanks usually use to "protect party members" is, either using an interrupt that does not trigger the boss, or do nothing else at all. I've never seen anyone complaining about that. Except those who have no idea.
Obviously other players have to protect themselves by themselves.
Beside, those kinds of attack are usually either have massive damage to kill those who are targeted, or have puny damage just to annoy them.
It's not like dps builds have much HP and damage reduction to begin with.

 

To be fair, in most games I've played, a tank's job is to redirect & taking all the attacks to themselves to protect other party members. Providing buffs is mostly supporter's role.
Unless the tank can still do that job of theirs properly while still be able to provide buffs, otherwise it's not wise to assume several roles at once.

 

Wow, it's been a long time since I saw a nonsense conversations like this. Instead of discussing the main topic they keep on arguing with the same topic over & over again. There is no way u can change another person's opinion if it was already fixed, If you had already said your own views/opinions on that topic stop arguing & move on.

 

Sshhhhh they are just bored. Let em argue. The whole thread stopped making sense half way through anyways.

 

Well, the thread might've died down and gone quiet much, much earlier if it's not for momo
Things get livelier with him around.

 

Im talking about chakra for knux not for 1h obviously. That 2 second cast time is really not a problem for a tank. You do have the time to cast it every 30 seconds or even more often. My tank as example is full mtl, 40 vit and rest agi. My HP at 18k which is enough for a Tank imo. I mean on some bosses theres not much to do as a tank so why not cast chakra which might safe ur dps from death? Gsw doesnt always mean that dps user are gonna be onehit.
So i really see no disadvantage in spending those sp on chakra.

 

Ever heard about timing? Ur also a duck while casting ur guardian combo. Almost about same cast time