can't seem to find the ninja i wanted

hi everyone, decimals here!

I fairly new to this game, so I'm in need of some pointers, specifically to ninja build. (and there are some questions too, if you don't mind)

If you know any threads that I might need, feel free to post the link here, I'm very grateful to you.

So far I made a mage and a somewhat brawler-ninja-fail

What I'm looking for: real Ninja (physical rather than magical)
I'm willing to sacrifice some gears/stats in order to be more ninja-like (in terms of the look). I've tried making Brawler/Dagger build, but it seems it's lacking its ninja feel, with all those punches, tried taking off the knuckle but became more martial artist.
I made lvl 25 Brawler/Dagger, with all AGI, and martial-dagger-battle skills.

I've read Magical Ninja thread also, but it doesn't seem what I'm looking for, although I learned a lot from it.

Also: why do people use main weapon combo? (Staff/Knuckle for example), what does the knuckle do beside able to use the brawler skills (effects to status, upside/downside of having the hybrid)

And: I've heard adding FLEE is different than adding EVASION or DODGE. What are the difference between those 3 things?

I thank you for your inputs.

- decimals

 

I would focus on dex and agi.

Makeing a brawler/1H

If you want to improve flee or speed definitely focus on agi. Maybe buy the duel wield skill tree and get a Godspeed lvl10.

If you want to improve on your accuracy focus on dex. This helps dmg mobs that evade to much like the Forestia.

I wouldn't make a brawler/dagger build. Yes, it does seem similar to what ninjas use I guess, but that build isn't that most sturdiest.

Staff would be main weapon. A example of this is if you were to attack like in a melee fight then the staff with whack the boss instead of hitting the boss with knuckles. Brawlers for sub weapon will do best for flinching, tumbling,breaking, and more skills depending on your interest.

Don't focus so much to make the character have a ninja vibe to it. First just get the build ready and make the gear that seems fitting of the style of a ninja. Best thing you can do is use a app of a gear that looks similar to styles on a ninja with the stats of a completely different add gear.

 

No such things as ninja (never know who is listening)

-Scarf and hood seem to pretty much be a must
Beyond that...
-DELETED!

Everything I thought to volunteer as ninja-esk was so bizarrely counter damage/survival I could not in good conscience provide.

Don't hate, but is there maybe an anime ninja you would care to emulate? Popular culture like Naruto makes for a 'prettymuchanybuild' can be called a ninja situation. Might better the chances of getting a desired response.

 

my magical ninja originated from the idea of a knive throwing magician. (Yu-Gi-Oh! reference: Dark Magician and Thousand Knives)
after seeing how knive throwing looks in-game i started with the ninja ideas.
my magical ninja is the result of that. a real ninja would have to use a sword and daggers and cast magic, but this was not possible, so i use the staff as main weapon.

my other ninja-like ideas are the following:

Assassin - sword and daggers, main stat DEX -> good for poison knive
Monk - staff and knuckles, with priest skills
Godhand - knuckles and magic device (sounds weird, but i heard it works)
Shaolin - knuckles and daggers

i think the assassin is the most ninja.like from those 4.
the main thing that makes you a ninja are the daggers.
daggers are based on physical attack, but they can also be used by magical classes, you just have to pick the right skills and the right dagger.
there are 2 types of daggers, those with power and those with utility.
unfortunately daggers are only a sub-weapon and their skills are also just support, so you have to a main weapon skill to and use the dagger skills to support it.

since you want a physical ninja, i would say that the assassin is best for you.
use DEX as your main stat and then you can do good damage with poison knive. swords look really cool in this game and together with high attack speed and the dagger passive skills, you can deal lots of damage.
Brutal Dragon Sword is really good here for it's 500ASPD, for the appearance i think that Gladius is good until we get a real katana sword.

when using brawler skills, you will use the knuckle weapon, so you will get it's attack stat and element.

FLEE is compared to the enemies HIT to calculate the chance to miss attacks (enemy will not hit you).
DODGE is the chance to get missed. it is calculated from FLEE and HIT. DODGE stats are added after the calculation.
EVASION works independent from DODGE. it has a set chance to activate.
first comes DODGE and if the attack didn't miss, the chance for EVASION will rolled.
if evasion is triggered you will evade the attack by sliding to the side. if you have daggers equipped, you will slide backwards instead and throw a knive.
this also works while casting, charging or walking.

DODGE and EVASION only work on physical attacks, magic attacks cannot miss or be evaded.
it does work on red zone attacks. if the red zone attack is physical, it CAN be dodged or evaded.
but red zone attacks usually have high accurary so the dodge chances are lower here.

DODGE is increased by light armor and decresed by heavy armor.
EVASION can only be raised by equipment stats and skills.

 

Ninja's don't cast magic at all though. I'm not talking about your build. I'm talking about the " a real ninja would have to use a sword and daggers and cast magic". I'm going to me extreamly nickpicky but not one time is it said that ninja's used magic back when they were actual ninja's around. They used tricks, a.k.a Illusions.

Reasons of proving this
1.) They would disappear using a smoke bomb and not magic. They would use Metsubushi to do this.

2.) Gravity Defying jumps/climbs are possible only because of their very fast and efficient use of ropes.

3.) if they walk through walls it's just rotating wall panels.

Magic itself ****** ***** ( You should know )

They were expert spy's and assassins while using stealth on their side while using the power of nature. ( example is camouflaging )
Ninja's main martial art is ninjutsu ( duh ) which is the Japanese art of stealth, camouflage, and sabotage. Nothing with magic as anything to do with this. It's more commonly know as ninjitsu which is spelt differently.

A ninja's real power came from their speed, not their strength.

If you want to make a 'Ninja build' it's best if you try to figure that yourself to understand builds better. It's also worth studying about ninja's if you do wish to make a build out of it.

The closest weapons a ninja would use though is a sword and not every ninja had a katana. Some would have straight blades and Bikens. Your best option for a sword would be a adel sword if you want a little longer appearance. Dagger is anything you prefer. It's the closet thing to a Shuriken and or a kunai.

I know that it's a game and all, but still, it's best it be a bit realistic :/

 

There's really nothing in this game to emulate a ninja, except for Dagger skill tree, which is basically just throwing a lot of daggers. Evade is by chance, and even with a dedicated build, you only get around 33% anyway. It requires you to stand in the frontlines, instead of completely avoiding danger.
Unlike other games, there are no stealthy or sneaky skills. Sneak Attack reduces aggro, but the animation and usage is nowhere stealthy.
If you want, get some Shot Skills since causing Blind, Slow, and Paralyze seems like a Ninja-esque thing to do.
If you want it to be a somewhat viable build, go for Bow/Xbow Full Dex. Afaik, Poison damage is increased by either Dex or Int.

 

i know that real ninjitsu is not like the anime ninjutsu ...
f*** realism!
since there is no ninja skill tree with Fire Breath, Lightning Blade, Shadow Bind and all the other stuff, magic is the only available option.
Wall is similar to a barrier skill and Arrows, Javelin and Lances are for the other attacks.
and once i reached lv70 and learn Impact, i can shout "Shinra Tensei!". =(^.^)=

 

Naruto is the one of the worst portrayal of ninjas, even amongst the fictional ones.

 

i want a "dislike"-button ...

 

Thank you everyone for your inputs!! Made me rethink if I do want to make a ninja-esque char in Toram. hehehe
I think I'll move away from the idea of making a ninja, and make something more viable for farming and hunting.

 

I would recommend Dual wield evade tank.
Some ninja in Dual wield: Leonardo (TMNT) XD, Shen (LOL), Kunoichi (there are various sources :/)

Equipment (Appearance only)
Sword of Sins x2
Plate Armor (Light model, with black A)
Gas Mask (hope they release some better mask in future :/)
Cat Hood (for female... probably)
Hachigane

Stats:
Vit - for more HP
Agi - for more Flee

Skills:
-Sword Skill- 11
5 Hard Hit - Chances to flinch
5 Sonic Blade - Dash to target in range
1 Spiral Air - Chances to flinch

-Dual Sword Skill- 37
5 Cross Parry - Parry once, chances to tumble, and reduce next damage taken for a short duration
1 Spinning Slash - Knock back, chances to blind enemy(which might cause their attack miss)
1 Charging Slash - Dash through target, might come in handy when dodging aoe. Mp cost 300 tho...
10 Reflex - Increase Evade rate, but decrease def and Mdef
10 Godspeed - Improve Agi, Atk Speed

-Knight Skill- 35
10 Parry - Chances to reduce Physical damage taken.
10 Provoke - Generate Aggro
10 Rage Sword - Generate Aggro

-Survival Skill- 16
10 Hp Boost - Increase Hp
1 Fighter High - Able to trigger heal in boss fight. (Trigger by cancelling auto attack, amount based on Max Hp and Natural Hp Regen)
5 Safe rest - Improve the trigger heal by Fighter High

-Guard Skill- 10
10 Light Armor Mastery - Improve evade chances

Combo:
Hardhit > CrossParry(consec)> Rage Sword (consec)> Spiral Air (consec)
*Use combo to interrupt and maintain aggro (do not spam combo, manage Mp wisely)
*move around boss to dodge aoe (red zone skill) and trigger heal
*never bring aoe to allies
*hold the aggro for whole fight (use provoke at the start, and when the aggro changed to your teammate)
*Add More skill to the combo if it is hard to maintain aggro. (Charging Slash,Sonic Blade etc)
*Cons: -Unable to deal damage, need another char to boost level.
-Tank ability is not as strong as others.

 

You could go for a STR > DEX > AGI, 1h sword and dagger build.

Max your stats in the order above or go DEX first if you are the patient type. Go for light armor.

Combo: Astute > Sneak attack (Save) > Spiral Air (Consec) > Gating knife (Smite) > Poison dagger (Consec)

My interpretation of a ninja is more agile and not tanky, a dw tank is more like a dual wielding samurai than a ninja. But that's just me.

Or get Power wave so you can AMPR from range and start the combo off with an Assault attack from knight tree, so you can stay out of range and only dash in for combo and keep your distance again after.

 

So... You have a naruto image when it comes to ninja? Ninja's don't have these skills and using naruto as a example degrades the whole ninja act. To be completely honest naruto is one of the 4 popular animes ( Bleach, One piece, and DBZ ) and it doesn't describe ninja's accurately. The creator of naruto, Masashi Kishimoto, Orginally planned naruto to be a show about ramen, then magic , but he scrapped the 2 ideas to just make it a bit like a fantasy version for ninja's were there isn't up to date technology. If you think hard then you can guess that the Fire breath, Lighting blade, and Shadow bind are a representation of magic, but they use the word chakra instead.

*Like*

Why dislike button? What @chalkie-kun is true. When ninja's were still a thing in Japan they didn't used most techniques from naruto. The only thing that portrays ninja's from the anime is some of the weapons. Yeah of course some of the stunts they do like moving at fast rates is a example, but every ninja can do this. Plus anime shows stuff like this beyond human capability. A ninja had to be about 155pounds or less to be light enough to move. In naruto (if you were to be a nick picker like me) the weight of the characters are about 10+ the expectations of a ninja's weight. The average height for a ninja was also 5 feet and 8-9 inches. They also never used the fire breath or shadow bind. If you re read the thread he said he wanted a real ninja build.

 

ok, now you ruined it ...

so what class are you using?
2h swords? most of them are so unreal huge, you wouldn't be able to lift them up.
magic? doesn't exist.
bows? arrow rain is a stupid fantasy. shooting arrows like that will never hit anything.
knuckles? with iron gloves of that size, you couldn't even move.

this is a japanese game,
they always have unrealistic super-power or giant robots. (or both)
if you want realistic characters, play Age of Empires or something ...

i never mentioned naruto ninjas until you disliked it.
and i posted all my ideas, including the "real" ninja/assassin.

 

He said he wanted a realistic ninja build,and he disliked the mage ninja, that means no magic as magic is not realistic so I agree with neko-chan


P.s. I'm hungry

 

I ruin lots of stuff so doesn't really bother me. And I meant with the other ideas like that god hand one. ( that ninja monk was/is a real thing though ) I added on when you spoke about the naruto anime and I explained how the moves in the anime is magic more than the actual Indian culture. ( Chakra ). I'm not into medieval games so I'll pass on Age of Empires. Also, You mentioned naruto before I commented on in and it was just a supporting reply on how naruto is a bad connection to real ninjas.

Also when you said " So what class are you using?" Was that directed to me or him? If me then this:

2H: Sucks because ninja's would always use a small blade and it would slow them down.
Magic: I never said to use magic for the ninja.
Bows: that's a uncommon weapon a ninja would use
Knuckles: They didn't use them.

Best build is a 1H/Dagger.

 

aw... i'm not good at hating. need more practice ...

@decimals
my character was a magician at first, and then i made it a ninja.
for the realistic ninja you need a sword and dagger combination.

poison damage is 50% DEX and 1% ATK.
make DEX your main stat, and if your equipment has ASPD, DODGE and/or AGI stats, you don't need so much points in AGI.
the stat growth of swords is lower than that of staves, but you can utilise the strong daggers with attack stats.
poison lasts 10 seconds and activates whenever the target executes an action.
the extra damage of Hidden Arm scales with your ATK stat, but not so much as your main weapon, so high attack speed is more effective to maximise the damage output.

knuckles have the highest speed and dodge since they gain attack from AGI, but if they don't have much DEX, poison damage will be low.

 

Once again thank you all for your awesome inputs. On that note, I'd like to end this thread. Admin can close this one, thank you very much!