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the future of 2h

Discussion in '2-Hand' started by mc2lau, Aug 21, 2020.

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Does 2H need a buff?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2020.
  1. YES or we will meteor breaker Asobimo HQ

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  2. No, I feel that 2h is pretty balanced right now

    8 vote(s)
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  3. Dunno man

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  1. mc2lau

    mc2lau Member

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    2H has always been my favourite class, but I fear 2H may be getting outdated and outclassed in future content.

    Why I feel this way:

    (A) All of our main dps skills (meteor/enchanted sword) lack physical pierce -> assuming future bosses have higher defense, 2H and other classes lacking phys pierce skills may be left behind - (i.e. 1 tank + 3 cf sat archer/ 3 dt halberd for BOSSES)

    (B) 2H boasts one of the highest raw ATK in the game, however, that benefit may likely diminish over time as bosses with higher defense are released, further driving the need for physical pierce


    Which leads me to the following questions for my fellow 2h lovers and Toramers:

    - (1) Do you think 2h is fine at the moment or will it be delegated to more of a niche/generalist role?
    - (2) What changes/fixes/additions/buffs/nerfs do you think 2h needs, if any?
    - (3) Am I crazy and overthinking this?

    Thanks for reading <3
     
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  2. Insane23

    Insane23 Well-Known Member

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    Those days you can achieve 50-60% pierce easily with add+handmade+potion+avatars. As we get new bosses, we get new items. Hopefully we will be getting more pierce items
     
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  3. AliceYvne

    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    3) overthinking

    The reason why we deal low damage on high difficulty boss just because their guard and resistant, that nothing we can do.
    Most higher difficult boss have only around 1000-1500 Def/MDef according to the data miner info(except for those low HP cute boss). only higher difficulty mode(ultimate/nightmare) boss have higher Def/Mdef because it’s 2x-3x on their base Def/MDef. So if you only challenge high difficulty boss, then 100% PP actually not needed.

    For SA, please understand that this skill need about 2 second to charge and about 3 second to hit that area, unless for those slowpoke boss else it's really not efficiency, that why some Bow player still using Snipe on most of the boss.

    Dragon tooth is the best PP skill, sadly it's have 0 skill constant.

    Since now still can farm summer shell, try craft 1 set of element armor/weapon, you should able to feel the mighty of 2H.
     
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  4. UfuLamb

    UfuLamb Well-Known Member

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    You can stack the attack soo high def doesnt matter anymore, 2hs aint gonna need those puny peirce, just smash right through that def!!!!

    Plus, motion cancelling rampage is better than decoy... Now if your the risky type and use gsw...
     
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  5. mc2lau

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    thanks for the insight!
    a few follow up questions:
    (1) Damage-wise, is it better to optimize for damage to ele + ele dmg bonus rather than phys pierce?
    (2) What stat allocations do you recommend for ele 2h weap and ele armor?
     
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    1. depend which monster you fighting, ele+ dmg is better for low def, while pp for high.
    2. str>dex for full damage, str>dex>vit for some survivability.
     
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  7. mc2lau

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    Ahhh for (1) which bosses are considered high def? any boss in ultimate difficulty?
    (2) Oops I misphrased! What I mean is: which fill stat is best for ele weap 2h and ele armor (i.e. 20% to ele/ 10% ATK etc)?
     
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    1. ultimate difficulty usually make the boss def x6, but not too high. maybe it's like 100 x 6 = 600.
    2. i think peeps put dte, ele, atk on weapon by not putting cdmg% stat. so, both?
     
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  9. VangNir

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    For weapon
    Ele, dte, atk%, cdmg% for berserk user
    Ele, dte, cdmg 5%, cdmg, cr for non berserk.

    For armor
    Dte, cdmg%, cdmg, cr.
     
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  10. AliceYvne

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    1.Phys Pierce never is the first priority, go for ATK+% or any Dmg+% first

    2. 2H can have +100 Critical with Two-handed(+5), Battle Skill(+5), Base(+25), Berserk(+50) and Food Buff that at least give you +15 Critical. Thus if you think you don’t need Critical stat because reason above OR you just want go for Enchant Sword(+100 Critical) you can go for stat like above post mention but remove that critical and added other stat like STR+%.
     
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  11. Phoenix。

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    Ultimate mode has 6× the base def and nm either 3 or 4 (not sure). The recent bosses have usually very roughly around 300-500 def. So roughly 2-3k ulti def total. But yes, anyways usually around ~40% pp is sufficient
     
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    How ths aced at ultimate difficulty on finstern should be enough to prove you pierce attribute doesn't matter much. On the side note I think we'll see tier 5 skills in near future.
     
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