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Dual Build of Speed. How will it do? (READ 1st POST PLEASE)

Discussion in 'Dual Wield' started by Lynxia, Jun 15, 2017.

  1. Lynxia

    Lynxia Musketeer

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    That astute is closer to the end of my slightly longer combo so the Crit Rate Affect of Astute can last on to the last skill "Hard Hit" and on to 2-3 auto attacks i do to build prorate again before i use that combo again.
     
  2. Lynxia

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    sounds like you have small to medium combos
     
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    Azin. Brawler Enthusiast Elite Member

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    Welp thats the thing u need to auto atk again. Even tho theres a faster way not to waste any proration.. Eh we'll just my thoughts about ur combo ^^
     
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    I have a double smitted combo and a Ampr combo to auto cancel :p
     
  5. Lynxia

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    I see. Wow :eek: the community dual sword players styles are sooo diverse it just depends on the players >:cool:< style of play. If a dual player cant understand dual sword's diverse styles guess they will never fully understand the class. :)

    *PS. Some dual in the game was trying to talk me down about my current build, I block her xD*
     
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    Indeed. I once had a pt with a capped dual who is a full str and capped and were doing warmo nightmare he spammed his 4mp combo like twice and keep auto for him to recover some mp.. Then here i go spammed my double smitted 4times.. Hugged all the rank then got kicked xD lmao

    Balance proration is the key for my double smitted combo tbh :p
     
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  7. Cella [Yurie ♥]

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    Slower is fine... example your DW might be 20% slower in morion speed but if you can deal 50% more damage why not?
     
  8. Lynxia

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    lol we was talking knightcrow and I was talking about a dual High Attack MP Recovery build, not Damage. With my current build Damage output isnt even a issue. I use to have a high damage build waaayyy before my new current one and i killed MS in the same time as my old high dmg build. I trash that high damage build cuase it left me exposed to Bosses AoE Attacks. I hated that kinda of exposure.:confused:
     
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    Her build balanced speed and dmg.. Indeed her dmg is low..but thqt how she does her thing. Dmg isnt everything fam.. Its all about how u play ur character.. Me as an ampr build i found myself having the lack of dmg thats y i use multiple smites out of my combo so i can fill the lack of dmg ^^.. Not everyone thinks about the dmg.. They think how will their bui
    D suit their playstyle. Dont compare anyone with ur build since everyone has theirown playstyle, so do u
     
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    1 only have 1 point knight, if we can do more damage WITHOUT losing too much speed's advantage why not?
    there's a diminishing of usefulness by increasing speed or ampr include the diminishing of ur damage, hp, and mp. So it's better to keep everything right.

    EG : As @Cypherian said having 120 ampr is possible but u'll have super low mp/hp/atk and that's not efficient.
    As I and Invisible BK said, having more than 2000 aspd only have super small mili secs different but u sacrifice a lot.
    It's all efficiency. if you still want to do ut way, go ahead. no one's forbid you.

    and I only gives advice and opinion to @Lynxi So don't bother me @knightcrow , why you always show up and criticize me (with your subjective opinion) everytime I Give opinion about DW zzzz
     
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    She has good dmg even tho she has high aspd. Also i didnt over board over my ampr i only have 80raw ampr making it 100 when trigger slash with descent dmg and hp and not even capped ^^, im just saying dont compare ur build to her because shes not dmg centered, she want more motion speed and thats what her build is all about ^^, am not criticizing u ur just a close minded when someon gives opinion about ur opinion, also ur so called efficiency? Everybuild is efficient if u use it right ^^
    Thats all thank you ^^
     
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  13. Cella [Yurie ♥]

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    yes good with his +S sword. But it still can be improve A LOT coz she cut all possible attack buff to aspd. by having too much aspd it'll diminish the advantage of apsd itself while sacrificing too much
    and I'm just saying, I always comment people's build by efficiency. You're the one who closed minded Knight. the thing is all ur argument is baseless not more than opinion.
    Every build is efficient if you use it alright is also a SUBJECTIVE opinion -.-" .

    I'm not forcing @Lynxi to change his build or what, I only gives a simple opinion EXACTLY THE SAME as what Invisible BK said. (so u better comment on BK's opinion too)

    I wish i can block you in this forum if you keep giving "Subjection" to all my reply on all DW thread sigh.....
     
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    If I'm to ask, everything is fine including your stats, (as anybody think, regardless on how the DW'S ATK scales, that accuracy is that good so you need to invest stat points into DEX, that's not a bad thought, but in this era where you have the power to cap your C.Rate to 100% using the power of astute + highly player-made crit stats which is now close to 13 era, it's ok to decline accuracy and focus on capping you C.Rate for upto 90% - 100%. Your ASPD is really really good but I think you need to know when to stop adding ASPD and focus on the other fundamentals such as AMPR, damage etc. IMO, 3,000 is good and 3,500 of ASPD is amazing enough. In your skillset, nothing is wrong except for that 2 SP used in drop rate%.if you'll gonna use it in farming bosses, I suggest buying normal gem in elscaro, you will have +10% drop rate. I understand your choice in fighter's high level 1. That's ok. in equips, you have amazing equipments and I think that it functions the way you want it to be. the only thing I can suggest is for you to try and have forehead protector for you to allow yourself to equip light remodeled armor. you'll benefit alot from it since it'll increase your ASPD even further and it'll also activate your evasion chances which can lead to either increase your proration by 1 or save you from something fatal. In your combo where you use phantom 130%, try adding level 1 quick aura, you'll compensate from your fighter's high anyway so that's another +20% of smited phantom slash.
     
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    Lmaooooo im just stating my opinion its not subjective its general opinion ^^. Dont give opinion or critics if u cant accept the opinion of other ppl about ur critics ^^ ur just got butthurt lmao thats all block me if u want idc ^^ lmao .ur the one who critic my build even tho u dont know how it worked lmao.
     
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    I ever tried 3500 aspd DW -.-"
    Not only me, BK and just now @Szchev also disagree that over-high aspd is not efficient.
    you criticize me without any supporting fact. Yes i got butthurt by your annoying reply

    PS : You also criticize Madara's build till I never see him online again
     
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    I just criticize hes build because of the title xD and hes personality that states that he s the best dual lmao,
     
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    Im not saying max aspd is bad. Im not saying its good too.
    But i think the goal of the build is to maximize dodge and motion speed.
    But certain skills are slow for a reason, and a different reason why motion speed isnt increased all willy nilly like crit rate, evasion, guard rate.
    Yes the damage is good, comparable to most builds. But you have to not only compensate for most of the things you need, but you also have to invest alot just to achieve it, which means ignoring some core components.
     
  19. Lynxia

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    Which core components am i ignoring?
     
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    Ok i've watch it again for the second time and this time I noticed that, the 1 sp that you used to fighter's high is not optimal as it needs to be because your sword's negative stats is -natural HP regen -7%, also, your MP charge's level, I can't blame you for that level 5 MP charge, but for non-staff/MD class, you'll only use it out of combat, and out of combat allows you to use staff/MD. If I'm to ask, I'll just leave it at level 1. But if you want it like that, I can't argue with that.
     

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