Bots hurt our economy, not help

Even if not all but most of the nc farmers are indeed botters. You need to go and farm nc at the map to know this.
Have you ever wondered why people say stuff like "lfp strom indo 12hour"? Indos as in cause they have mutual trust believing they wont report each other. Theres no way a human mind/body can tolerate 12hours of continuous farming no proc. You can try joining some party there their character will never move from the spot and they wont even reply if you ask something ever. Try that when it is nighttime for them. Nc farming is NOT easy not even with full luck I know it cause I tried farming there to lvl up my char and it was horrible I got like 20stacks in 2hours even though I was using drop books+100% I would rather just farm something else sell the stuff it drops and buy nc there was no other way to lvl up quickly than to rely on these NC botters unless they finally released the exp boost. Nc botting wasnt a thing that ruined the economy it was a necessity but now yeah I agree they need to stop as theres other ways to lvl. What I hate more than nc botters are the botters that use mods along with bots to get drops from stronger mobs which are tough to kill but become easy coz their mods make them invincible example those modders who farm mini bosses with their 100sec stun wall they sell mini boss xtas for real cheap and drop their price in the process this actually hurts the economy.

Also bot isnt limited to farming theres many other things to bot. Most of these nc sellers hold so many stacks of nc at once thats cause they bot gift sending bot can similiarly also applied to quest turning of mino skin. Even if not farming it is technically still botting. Does that affect economy? Absolutely not. Not all bots are bad just like rex said some of them continue coz they are/were a necessity you need to experience that during anniversary event where they lock out lower lvl chars from joining the events and you just wanna quickly lvl up so you can join and at that moment nc farming will be the last thing in your mind.

 

You seem to misunderstand. Stuff like NC is too much of a hassle to farm for most players. These bots reduce prices of other items so make it easier to buy.
The bigger problem is RMT bots. These guys can farm skellies in zotzka, and since there are no gears, they stock up,sell then rinse and repeat.
This spina is injected into the economy. Ppl will buy like 10M and spend it on all sorts of garbage.
This means people have more money and less goods going around. a normal player cannot earn spina as fast so will struggle.

 

Dont forget that Toram has "10 million kills" emblem which gives easy 10M spina for someone who achieve it.
i can be fairly sure that mostly botter get that emblem .
this emblem is a mistake (in my opinion).. the more spina circulated.. the more likely inflation happens.
imagine an army of botters lets say 1 person have 1 party (4 acc) setup

its 44 millions Spina in couple month.. a constant income, just redo it from 0 when they alrd achieved since its easy to create new account just for the sake of spina

 

Whoa, that kind of emblem is new to me...

Other than NC and skeletons, i think there are botters too at Dirty Antique farm spot, just before Scradder's territory. I saw them neither moving feet at all, nor chit-chat, but only spamming storm for hours. There, i try collecting mats to craft slotted dex talisman III and got no party as the result...

Botters got easy money, so they can easily buy stuff eventhough overpriced ones. Prices becomes higher so yeah... Great topic btw

 

well in 2015 erie xtal was 700k-1m. 400k is cheap and 50k?!wow

 

That games is supposed to be played with a human touch....... enough said

 

I took some time to analyze the situation and came up to this conclusion: bots are bad, but sometimes they're a necessary evil.

TL;DR: Bots make spina too fast; newcomers suffer. But bots introduce NC to economy, slowing the lack of interest in this game.

And now, WALL OF TEXT!

On the one hand, you have the massive amount of Spina they inject into the economy. This causes Spina to lose value much quicker than initially anticipated, basically resulting in massive inflation. Denying this is pretty much denying the very existence of the Consignment System, created to combat said inflation. While we as veterans don't see much of an issue since we are already accustomed and prepared, this is disadvantageous for newcomers as they have a steeper hill to climb.

However, we have to remember something. First, we had BNuts and NWood to level our characters really quickly. Builds were relatively easy to make. Then the level caps rose too high. Then suprise: MMH arrived and everyone could progress again! Except not really: MMH was a chore to farm (albeit still bearable). Then cap rose again. And SURPRISE: NC came along. Problem is: devs made it a real chore to farm, so leveling this way was rough. And then we had a drought of good EXP quests for a long while, and level caps kept rising. Keeping up was difficult, especially if you had a stater and BSes to maintain. And don't get me started on making a new build: leveling from 1 to level cap was HELL! We needed a tremendous amount of NC to get there, and since farming it wasn't evident, it would drive away many players from having multiple builds. And it did. Many had either few builds or many underleveled builds. And because of that, people got bored too quickly. And THAT WAS WITH BOTS INJECTING NC IN THE MARKET!
Now think for a second: what would have happened if we didn't have bots to farm that NC for us? Don't you think the player retention rate of this game would have been MUCH lower? EXP from boss was marginally low, and drops of newer quests were getting worse and worse, so people would have eventually considered it too much of a chore. In short, bots contributed to the game staying alive for so long.
Devs tried to drive them away by introducing the Power Relationship System and by actively banning their accounts... But this was a minor setback, and had they succeeded, the aforementioned issues would have likely occurred.

However, devs finally got the message. So they introduced this new EXP boost system, and it works wonders. For the same amount of effort you had to do to get up 1 level through NC, you can level much faster with mini bosses. And books serve as a nice bonus for P2W. While we'll still see some bots, it's a step in the right direction, and if they render bots unnecessary, then we might be ready to abandon their services for a more controlled market.

 

I completely agree with you mister. Im a newbie. Just enjoying the game on my own pace. I find NC as The best thing that kept the game so lively until now and kept me alive too.. I Just go to bosses for materials and sell, then go to Nectars to sell or go to anywhere I can sell to gain spina with less revitas used. Then when I got Enuf spina buy enuf stacks to let me level few levels.. Then Im Happy with it.. As a newbie I feel its harder to go to Mini bosses or bosses to lvlup due to lack of parties or no one takes me to their parties also. Its super booring staying at one boss or mini boss to levelup given even if I gain 300k exp per boss/mini boss run. So, for me. Just for me. I find Nc botters as a beautiful blessing that is not totally banned from the game.. Thanks to them. Leveling isn't as hard as doing quests just for the measly Exps gained.
And btw, I'm just Stating my side as a newbie.

 

I do agree with you and have experienced the vexing farming of MMH and NC over and over. I do sympathize with your reasoning on why bots might be helpful for newcomers and find the new EXP method to be a great success (both economically and personally). Yes if they suddenly banned all bots there would most likely be unfortunate drastic price increases and a lack of equilibrium between producer and consumer at first. Since my point wasn't really about either sides that might of been the main source of my sad ratings and downfall. I wasn't really looking with either perspectives and was just looking at the entire situation at hand by the prior knowledge of basic economics I have only. Perhaps I should have been more empathetic with my approach, but nonetheless I thought the responses were interesting. Still, I haven't found an argument that made me feel confident in the exact phrase; "Bots are good for the economy." It still seems like a misconception to me based on what I have learned and I am usually very easy to sway onto the opposing side.

 

Never said they were good for the economy. In fact, the first half of my statement clearly states why I think it's the opposite, so I agree with you saying that they hurt our Spina economy.
My point was that bots prevented Toram from losing players too fast and possibly ending the game's life cycle prematurely. And because of this, people got attached to this "en masse" NC farming (and for good reason), which is most likely the reason for this backlash you got. But give the devs some time, and if they do things right, maybe people will be convinced to move on from relying on bots.
Also, I'm not trying to sway you one side or the other; just stating my opinion after a few days of thought and as a spectator of this thread.

 

theory of motivation by lewis, states that goals are what motivates people... And what would be your ultimate goal when your capped? Nothing... You only got little goals since you almost got everything you can get it toram...
Easy lvl cap is not what motivates people it bores people... You see a lot of em capped players just chatting in places or pranking people for entertainment... You also got a lot of em going inactive until a new update is released...

Them nc bots may not deal a huge dent in spina inflation but they play a huge role in making the game "too easy" to be thrilling...

When playing an MMORPG players should always expect heavy grinding... Based on experience on longstanding similar games... When reaching high lvls you'd grind for days and still remain on the same lvl, does this bore the players? No they dont... As long as you can grind different places to make it less monotonous...

 

off topic but since we talking bout economy. How bout that gem sales on orb shop. I feel it's bad effect too

 

It makes them xtals cheaper be a certain degree but not that much, since gem runs are hard and expensive by itself...

 

but prices drop significantly alongnwith the gears

 

I was kind of hoping toram would counter with something like this. @TheXIIIthGuy
NO MORE SPENDNG MILLIONS FJOKSDOENF YES, well... exp wise, BUT STILL

 

If your referencing tyrant its just that its newly released... 3m for an addgear? Hell no... i think it will even drop up to 1m just like any other popular add gears out there... the xtal tho i think its price is decent enough...

 

i get what youre saying, but standing in debacky and seeing all those bots go past pretty much makes me believe bots are the ones filling the servers.

 

BoBottineau destroys the sense of being rich because anyone can bot and be rich ...... which leads to obtaining easy rare ,to ultra items and killing the sense of obtaining a item like 2s item or sample awesome app seems senseless if everyone is able to obtain it thru having a bot farm for them

 

Which will be the end of toram if this goes on

 

Misunderstood, I am sorry