Bots hurt our economy, not help

Fair point but I feel like you're overgeneralizing the Toram playerbase and undermining the other aspects of Toram.
People have different limits about grinding as well as different amounts of free time, so not everyone's going to react the same way.
Also, how is making new equipments, stating them and refining them "minor goals"? How is making a new build a "minor goal"? For the first ones, each of them require a fair amount of grinding on top of leveling (proficiency, materials, etc). And for the last one, leveling becomes an obstacle, since you cannot even start making your build if, say, it needs a skill that is locked behind a level cap, and then you have to level up the toon too. And what if the build sucked? What if a skill didn't mesh well with another one? Then all your hard work would have been down the drain, and you should know that this is not a good thing.
Anyway, that's just me nitpicking. My main point isn't that grinding is bad; it's that the grinding in this game before the new EXP mechanics was a CHORE.
I happily grinded my way to level 70 back at Nisel Mountain, and it didn't feel too boring. When Fort Solfini came out, I happily grinded HIB for my Halberd toon and it felt rewarding (even if I started disliking the repetitive style of my build and thus dropped the toon). But I NEVER enjoyed my time at New Moon Palace or Ancient Empress' Tomb, even though what I had to do there was exactly the same thing. Why? Because the drop rates of BNuts, NWood and HIB during Xmas event were fair. It required effort and patience, but not in a way that made me roll my eyes just by thinking about it. When BNuts were getting outdated and Xmas HIB farm was gone, there were A LOT of people with only one capped build and quite a few that didn't even bother to cap. Sure, bots did trivialize the the leveling aspect, but you could partly blame the devs for not regulating the leveling and drop system in the right way.
Now, devs have finally managed to create a system that doesn't remove grinding, but makes it feel more rewarding. You grind mini bosses, and the occasionnal Xtal drop or dye drop make it worth your while, and it doesn't take very long to go up a level (and if you told me you were going to farm said miniboss and I didn't have books, I would still gladly accept to join because 1-2% per kill is FREAKING WONDERFUL). NC? You just sit there and hit as many Nightmare Roars as you can in hopes of getting that one item you need for a quest 99 times, and that until your bag is full multiple times, and who knows how many Nightmare Roars you had to kill for them to drop it. Rinse and repeat for every level cap. It's bad RNG on top of grinding. And if you stack all my previous nitpicking, it's then more decent to bad RNG on top of grinding stacked on top. Some people like it, but from my perspective it looks like most people hit their limit.

No worries, happens to everyone. Even me. ^^

 

still,
Bots hurt our economy, not help

 

Toram devs also crush the economy because of that gem lottery. Money is all that matters to the devs even they crush the economy. Lololol.

 

sample 4stk nc 40k in indo line group..
or other materials like chipped stone..

 

Welp,this game was (nearly and slowly) wrecked (just a random guess,hope that won't happen)

 

Just 1 time BIG roll-back!

 

IMO bots are bad
But I buy nc from them...
Conclusion : ban all the bots and give all the nc to me XD

 

Before the only very recently applied, levelling by bossing monster near your level style.
Without the botters help to farm nc I might have dropped this game after a few months.
Because NC rare drop rates and impossible grinding time would make its a Chore and not a game I can enjoy.

 

Even if u Make the text full colour and monstrous u still won't get your point across, the devs need to fix the game properly if not then people will still depend on botters to do the annoying grinding part.

 

Me too i would of let.this game go when i stopped playing the 1st if it wasnt for NC Sellers

 

...You don't know how scary the inflation can get. Trust me.

In Alpha build due to spina hackers, everyone essentially had maxed spina (about 2 billion) at the end stages as more and more people hacked the game. The economy was reset when beta came around due to a server wipe.
(Change of storyline, addition of Sofya City as the main hub town, replacing Rugio Town, which is now known as Rugio Ruins. Rugio is supposedly destroyed by the dragon in the tutorial, aka Decel in the lore after he attacks the beginner campsite.)

Oh, and as for Eerie xtal, the prices spiked due to the discovery of the true potential of AMPR. As for the original pricing, Magic Crystal Armor was one of the most sought after pieces of equipment in beta, which (somewhat) affected Eerie xtal's market value (Keep in mind that everyone at this point underestimated the puny AMPR stat boost of the xtal and basically deemed it worthless except for Crystal Arm recipe.)

Why? Because it looks sexy on female characters. :3

But otherwise, you are correct for the most part. Botters can never be stopped, but the excess spina causing the inflation can be purged if the devs cared. (Like sell a potion that cannot be crafted. E.g: A potion that boosts specific stats like say, STR by a certain value temporarily.) Not to demerit the devs, as the tax on the Consignment Board is one of the ways the game regulates its economy, by essentially 'deleting' the spina and keeping inflation in check, but the bots are currently outfarming the system and wreaking havoc on the economy. And the RMT (is this acronym allowed here?) trade for spina too, which uses bots too anyways so yeah, bots are kinda bad...?

Then again, it's true at one point that the demand was really high. Now, the supply has overshadowed the demand, and it's due to bots. There's high demand for an item, farmers get to work, people get lazy and greedy and try to monopolise the market via bots, more farmers follow suit as they witness the profits of botters, until the supply of the item is so much it's worthless. Then a new item is introduced and the cycle repeats.
So, it's not because of the existence of bots that is driving the economy to its eventual doom, it's greed.

Note: Alpha refers to the timeframe where Rugio was the only town, before the server wipe to make way for Sofya. Beta refers to the timeframe after the wipe and Sofya's inception up to the lvl 70 update. The 'public' build is what we play now, after the lvl 70 update also saw Toram being placed on the App Store.

 

It is not just bots hurting the community and economy.

Its also people who have no clue how to price things correctly and messing up the price range daily.

And people say sololo is stingy.

 

How can I find this raw source of spina now?

 

Isn't this also the case for the real world...

 

I think the real problem is not the botters here..

I remmeber b4 those bots are officially deleted and cleaned.. all the prices are still up and the players got tired of farming and almost 50% quit. :V

Right now botters help the economy by redundantly supplying materials to gamers making the prices low.. its annoying to others coz ^ thats the ONLY business they actually knows too^ meaning they farm hard they gain little aswell - They also forfot there themselves are contributing to the redundant supllies.
As a players join up so as the emblem Spina! The player leaves the spina dont, 80% dont.. the more Spina the more will the expensive our items are because we have spina .
I don't think Rmt has to do with botters, yes they use Bots maybe ~ but there so many ways to Rmt, take off bot u don't take off rmt. If we want it to stop it has to STOP from us Don't buy rmt.

The harder the suply gets the expensive it will be because of demand.
The more spina a server has the more numbers the value of selling unless~..

We stop ourselves from BUYING expensive items.
Which is super hard..
100% sulotion is to stop the spina production.. which the toram provided Cb. To balance our spina.

I think we should worry of mod.

I shared my opinion..

 

Instead of bots we need to also take into consideration that the cost of spina to sellers is very small, Spina is now seen as a easy to obtain item, and Not as currency, as that being said, theres no care for how this can damage the economy. The hell am I saying, Its already killing our already deceased economy. Talk about beating the dead horse senseless. In that sense, I think asobimo should've made it that items like NC or Farmable items (Not Player Made items) Have a set price that cannot be changed and no it will not be by sololo standards, effectively making it so that these items will be always be at a set price and inflation wouldn't sky rocket. And to counteract the arguement "But toram is built on selling anything on whatever price you want." I believe in what Thomas Hobbes would say "People should give a few of their rights to a complete and aboslute ruler." Why did i mention the Social Contract? Simple, We need to give our selling rights away as its clear we as players seem to not know how to treat spina as currency and instead take it for granted, And dont get worried over it, Im not talking complete revoking of the player ability to sell completely, As I said, Items dropped by mobs/Bosses should have a set price depending on rarity, And the price would add up by itself by how many pieces in the max limit of said item is.

As I said and Will say again, Bots are a problem. But the players are also another problem.

 

Toram devs didnt crush the economy, Its the people who decided to use this in the market. Before these things would be thing that would be used for friends guildies etc. But until people decided to sell them. That part of the economy is purely player-faulty, not bot-faulty.

 

Yea theyre only making use of the redundant economy to their best gain.. Imagine when star gem can be traded

 

Tbh i didn't find mats/spina earned from bots can be considered as a hard farm. And all bots output no matter what grind will always be a huge gain for the player using it. Altho the mass production of centain bot farmed mats slightly affects the game economy for a good cause, botters doing it fo their own self satisfaction 1st. Dont say BoTs playing/farming hard in my face coz bot players in my book are the complete opposite of what you referring as HARD WORK.
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btw why you guys likes bullying my country (indonesia)??
i know my country is like sh*t, but please dont do it again.