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AGI CRT Brawler Questions

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Ewp, Apr 21, 2017.

  1. Ewp

    Ewp Well-Known Member

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    Hiya everyone o.o/ I'm a returning player and would like to seek help for my brawler. My questions are as follows:

    1) Is it worth maxing Bash? Does Stun chance increase per skill level? Also, how long is the cooldown before I can inflict Stun again?

    2) Is Earthbind actually useful in boss battles? Is this also worth maxing?

    3) I've been using a Dagger as sub, but haven't really considered adding points to its skill tree. I read that Dagger skill damage is based on ATK stat, but does the ATK of the Dagger itself affect the damage of the skills?

    4) Is Parry skill something worth getting? It looks interesting, but I don't have enough data to make a final decision.

    5) My build is AGI CRT (will stop at 70). Right now, I have around 90% CRT rate (using the Stat Calculator in coryn.club website) and 3.7k HP. I'm too poor for boss xtals atm so I filled him with HP+300. If I wanted to add some VIT, how much would be useful for soloing? And should I add any VIT at all with my build?

    6) Which skill trees should I look into to improve my brawler? So far, I have Martial, Magic (just MP Recharge), Dagger (no points), Guard (no points), Survival (HP/MP 10), and Battle skills (CRT Up 10). The way I play is spamming either one of the 1mp combos I found/made (depends if I'm soloing or tanking) and auto attacking in between for AMPR and proration. I guess one could say I'm a semi-tank solo brawler.

    7) For a low/no VIT build, if I wanted to make a tank set, will it work if I focused on just HP? I read about the different sets for tanking, but those are for full VIT builds. If I focused on guarding for example, I will die if I can't guard, say, Cerabes' purple power wave. I can take aggro just fine (so far at least), so I don't think I need to focus much on aggro. I've been in parties where I tanked for Lv100+ even if I'm only Lv68 (Lv75 now).

    8) What's a good mini boss to grind for levels? Currently, I could kill Metal Stinger once while my Lv110 Halberd user guildie already killed 5+ (while chatting). That's some really cr@ppy damage I must say. I also deal 0-36 dmg to Death Colon (except Shellbreak).

    9) Which bosses should I avoid farming? I know some bosses are allergic to Flinch, Tumble etc., but I do not know which ones exactly.

    That's all for now. Will update first post when I have new questions. Thanks in advance for any and all replies!
     
  2. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    1.) Yes bash stun chance increases with lvl and its 100% at lvl10, stun cooldown is 30sec. Bash is slower than shield bash/cannon tho

    2.) Definitely at lvl1 for killing extra mobs at nure, lvl5-10 up to you as stop ailment doesnt work on normal bosses it only works on mini bosses and normal mobs. I personally found it useful for tanking 4x mini bosses and freezing them.

    3.)Yep weapon attack of dagger only applies to most of the dagger skills

    4.)Its 40% chance to reduce your damage taken by 20% and doesnt activate with guard, doesnt work with magic skills either prolly so tbh not worth it.

    5.)This one is a tricky question as theres a lot of ways to do that, my suggestion would be to only focus on agi only till you max it and then only go for CRT brawlers have low ATK after all. VIT isnt really necessary if your armor and add gear can give you high enough hp and resistance for soloing most of the bosses at least. VIT adds more HP the higher your lvl is so max your char first.

    6.)Shield and support if you wanna be even more tankier, daggers if you wanna atk long rang and some daggers got good stats too but dont expect them to do much in terms of dps at least not as much as your main martial skills. Tell me more about your preference.

    7.)Best tank armors so far are brigandine NPC/DROP and twilight dress DROP (light and dark bosses) gives high survival regardless if you are full vit or not. Maximum possible guard rate is 80-85% which is easily achievable by having 40% guard rate and lvl10 guardian which 2x your total guard rate its limited to shield tho. Actually it depends on what boss you are actually fighting tell me what boss do you have trouble surviving.

    8.)Go full agi first try to get an elemental knux (fire), get the help of a full tech in your guild, refine it +C at least, be sure tkick, sb, hs are lvl10. Even this much is enough to get high dps for killing ms quickly, armor add and ring are up to you if i couldnt afford expensive stuff i would use gothic hat ns, any armor with stats like cd+ agi+ agi% stats and speed talisman III for ring. Ms is the best mini boss as you can actually find a party there others include don yeti or arco i guess.

    9.)Theres no mini boss thats allergic to flinch/tumble. In fact its ok to flinch tumble a lot of bosses than before as they removed the proration lock mechanic, so only bosses that you should look out are jade, nure, dg(tumble/stun ok), inzanio, ecb(tumble ok), zolban(flinch ok), cerberus dunno if i forgot anything.. never fought new boss bexiz am on a hiatus.
     
  3. Ewp

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    Thanks for the reply! I learned a lot from it. Here are some follow up:

    1) I didn't know it's 100% Stun chance at Lv10. I'll definitely max this. My current combo allows me to use it (Swifted Bash) costing only 1MP.

    3) Most? I was thinking of getting the passives until Mail Breaker. Will the ATK of the Dagger affect these skills?

    6) I'm using Storm Dagger atm just so I can achieve 90%+ CRT rate and to lessen the effect of Hand Arm Guard (-10% ASPD). If I can do this with a shield, I might switch, but the passives leading to Mail Breaker looks really good. I'm looking for something to help me solo better, so a mix of offense and defense would be great.

    7) I actually haven't farmed many bosses yet since coming back. The bosses I face daily include event bosses and bosses required to finish Sakura (Hard). I was farming Yelb before posting this tho, just for a change of pace.

    8) I probably can't farm Metal Stinger in a party cuz I lag so much in the area where it spawns. I have to lure it away from its spawn spot first before I could kill it. It was pretty frustrating to hear that MS is my best bet at this.

    9) This for me is golden info. I've been avoiding partying up for a lot of bosses cuz Idk which one I could wreck. Thank you so much for this.
     
  4. Zephyr666

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    He kinda answered eveeything, but ill add on! Im full Agi and rest Crt btw

    1. Leveling Bash is really useful, and its just as effective as Smash and Sonic Wave, but the cooldown time is fairly long and will stay the same

    2 Earthbind is weird. Most bosses arent affected by it, and the animation is too slow to use manually or in a combo, so I would leave this at Lv. 5. However I have found it useful for tanking certain bosses that utilize minions, like all those Aramia in the Aranea boss fight.

    3. Dude same! I mostly use daggers for the stats, and the only skills I would consider getting are Spike Dart and all the passives (since they increase the proc rate of armor break) and yes, the higher ATK on the dagger, the more damage output from Dagger skills and passives.

    4. I don't have enough info on this..

    5. I don't have any VIT on my build because I dont think that will benefit me as much. I feel like if I add enough HP, ill be okay. In fact, my DEF is extremely low, but I still manage to tank bosses with easy to medium difficulty (although im not a tank build)

    6. I use all the trees your using, except I have full Light mastery, and misc. points on battle tree (wip) Idk about you but, im waiting until Martial Skills 4, then ill decide where i want the rest of my points to go. Its most likely going towards future armor mastery and battle, but who knows.

    7. Not enough info sorry

    8. I feel ya. Im pretty sure this will be fixed when we get Martial. 4 (the developers fav class is Brawler so of course he'll make it op) as for mini bosses, I would keep going with metal stinger, as it is fairly easy for brawlers with armor break. Most of the recent mini bosses have been ghost types and are extremely hard to fight due to their really high hp. I think youd do fine though, since you dont have to worry about the hardship of low acc (im still working on my crt)

    9. Stuff like Jade raptor are too hard to tank, bosses with high Phys resist like Zolban, or lots of debuffs like Aranea. Otherwise all other bosses are fine, i can solo any other boss except for those.

    Hope i helped a tiny bit hahah
     
  5. TheXIIIthGuy

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    PG, except if you're stunning him
     
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  6. Ewp

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    Thanks for the reply! Some follow up:

    3) Can I ask what dagger you're using? I used to have Antique Knife, but in my old account. I can't really access it much now. It should help dish out a bit more damage, but I wonder if it's decent enough?

    5) When you tank, how much HP do you have?

    6) Isn't evasion with a Dagger pretty bad for a Brawler? I mean we have to walk back to the boss when it happens, which is kinda irritating at times.

    9) By solo did you mean at hardest difficulty?
     
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    Antique is really great for damage involving dagger skills, but I use Blood Drain Knife for a little extra ampr. Since im so big on aspd, i figured, why not incorporate ampr so that I dont have to rely on combos so much. I have over 30+ Ampr and 5.3k Aspd

    5. My gears focus a lot on HP too, so I always have at least 4.7k hp on me (but Idk, I feel like im sacrificing a lot of good opportunities for added dodge or aspd) and when I tank, I avoid all auto attacks and manually dodge enemy skills; or flinch if needed. But when I do get hit, im fine because my hp usually dodges in increments of 100-400, which isnt bad at all for me.

    6. Ive noticed a loophole in this, usually, when I spam the attack button, instead of that huge pause in between attacking, the animation for evade is cut short, as if I was chasing down the boss. For example, if I repeatedly press attack while evade procs, my character sort of, jumps back, but instead of recollecting itself, it shifts forward, continuing an auto attack almost half a sec later. Whenever that doesnt happen, Im not usually bothered by it because the boss often follows up with more attacks, like Black knight, or I use it as an opportunity to use long range attacks.

    9. My standards for soloing, are being able to defeat the boss on Normal without using any sort of potion or rev. I can solo all bosses except for Jade, Zolban, Aranea and Scrader
     
  8. Ewp

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    3) That ASPD tho :eek: I didn't know it was possible to get that much, not to mention with 4.7k HP. I'm still not sure if I should get Dagger skills, but if I do, I'll try to get Antique Knife now that I'm certain it'll boost my damage a little.

    5) 4.7k HP is with or without Vita Plus II? I have 3.6k HP without items atm.

    6) I'd like to try this loophole. So far, I use Assault Attack to close in when this happens.

    9) Thanks for the clarification. I'll take extra care when fighting those.
     
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    3. Yeah, skills like Spike Dart will be very effective for you with such a high atk dagger.

    5. I cant afford vita rip. I naturally have 4.7k hp.

    6. Yeah its weird, ive seen it work plenty of times, but thats when im tapping the attack button really fast.

    9. Yeah, its mostly a matter of them killing me before I kill them ( due to magic and certain aoes being 100% accurate )
     
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    Sorry but what is ampr purpose?
     
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    For host question, I ask using a brawler with Agi and Cri only, but I plan to increase my Cri till 123 ( mean my base critical rate will be 60%)

    The reason is because the more base critical i am, the less for me to use the critical Gear. Some npc or boss gear have great ability which player unable to craft it.
     
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    AMPR means Attack MP Recovery. It's the amount of MP you recover with each auto attack :)

    I am hoping that in the future, we'll be able to max CRT :D. I'm not sure which would win in damage if we compare 123 CRT vs 60 CRT since those 63 points will go to AGI, which increases our ATK. Then again, damage gears might just beat that :confused:. I can't test this unfortunately :(.
     
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    If you satify with 87~90% critical, you can try using NPC iron thorns(+50% critical rate)+ assasins garb(+15 critical rate), because you got learn Critical Up so you will have 87% critical after equip this 2 gear. If you wish to have 100% critical just take a gothic hat.

    Iron throns attack is low but it's increase 3% Atk and assasin garb increase 15% phys. pieces+15dodge+15%avoid.

    Btw, level cap 125 will reach 255 Agi and another 76 pts balance.
     
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