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Bosses are weak

Discussion in 'Dual Wield' started by Undead, Mar 16, 2020.

  1. Undead

    Undead Well-Known Member

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    Please bear with me as im going to start ranting first because it is connected to my questions later. :D

    The problem are the new mini bosses or the Bloody Crystal to name one to be exact , i know we just need to read patterns and stuff or a tank can always make the battle easier, before we can just relax and enjoy every battle and get 1% after defeating a miniboss, but now its easier to fight them solo than in a team, but in return its a tedious task and takes longer and only fit for recording a no revita vid, and if you are in a party, all hell breaks loose and four of the Bloody Crystals will spam whatever it can spam and again it will take longer than the usual due to that, but with a good tank it is not an issue and in an elite party it is a joke, but these types of moves are mostly only seen in hardcore event bosses with great drops or rewards after the event, maybe not as deadly like in the event but it is so darn annoying. :mad:

    In a party, we fought 4 Bloody Crystal and i tried taking all the damage from all four of them continously and let it burn my revita but it is not enought to kill me (using my mage btw), except for that one physical attack that deals more damage than your current hp but it only says "you took physical damage" and not a fractional damage, also im good at evading skills manually and reading patterns when using my 2H. With that said, I am not ranting for myself but for every other players who are having a harder time and dies more often in just one Bloody Crystal encounter, but if the reason is that it is near Venena territory to make sense, well okay then. :(

    Now here is the real deal...
    I am a retired tank, but still uses a 1 handed sword with shield and knight skills for protection, but now thinking of going full Dual Wield and leave my 1H, 2H days behind me.
    My question is about dodge, evasion and DEX, I plan to only have 1 DEX, 255 AGI and max STR all the way.

    Currently im testing with my default stats, Max STR, 255 DEX and CRT 1, and level 5 Dual Wield Mastery only, my damage output is pretty close with my 1 hand and still always crit on a no CRT Resistant Bosses and rarely started seeing MISS on Critical Resistant targets.

    Dual Wield started looking really cool with lots of unique animated skills than other main skills :). Can i still fight any boss and mini boss i desired like my 1H, 2H, Tank and Mage? What are the pros and cons? Am i screwed against high evasion monsters like the leader of the knights in venena castle? Can i dodge or evade spells inside its AoE or spells directed at me? (being used to takig all damage that cant kill me), Can i get all evasion and dodge skills and be safe or am i going to become a glass or paper? Am i going to have a harder time like those who dies more than once against a Bloody Crystal? :(, i just want to be like Sally than Maple now. :p
     
  2. Xiavu

    Xiavu Lurking Overlord of LOVE[L.O.L.] Elite Member Epic Member

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    This is why i said toram online is designed to be played chilled. High end items are not a necessity to handle them. Tho you can't keep the peeps from flexing all the time. Sometimes un-intentionally heck i felt my nose stretched out a few inches while i swag my pet back then and managing a tankless all softies dps party.(pet is tank that i keep alive and it aggro so much that it can even take aggro from katana dps spammer. Magic lance + rage attack do wonders)
     
  3. Yunan

    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Dual wield is good, you can use cross parry to reduce damage taken+atk and aspd buff. Phantom slash and storm reaper can also be used to dodge aoes. For miniboss leveling though. As shining cross is a single target skill your impact would lure the mobs without being able to kill em unlike 2h. Better use a save tagged combo without impact so you don't attract the mobs. Something like reflex>warcry(save)>flash blast(cons) >storm reaper(cons) >shining cross(smite) >finale(smite). Your SC would have 260% damage due to the srd buff of reaper and the 130% smite tag(idk if the smite bonus and reaper buff work additively or multiplicative.)

    I've partied a tank on mega alpoca and the annoyng thing is that he learned guard strike, which deals physical proration and attracts mobs. Making my job way harder than it should be. Having impact users also sucks on minibosses.

    Nothing chill about raising pets though. You need to put a lot of time and effort.
     
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  4. Surim

    Surim Well-Known Member

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    Sorry my Brain hurts when I tried reading so many stuff she ranting about haha ... sorry I skipped it XD ... so yes bosses have became quite weak because of the new t4 200 cap stats .. I can 2 hit viola XD with CF now (which isn't a good thing ).. I just wanna fight the white whale asap ... because my brain trumbles....
     
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  5. Amaymon

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    The white whale isn't even worth mentioning. People just afk there.
     
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  6. Mass (Boatman)

    Mass (Boatman) Well-Known Member

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    I'll wait until they make a Demon Slayer collab and add Muzan as a event boss, can't wait to see him swinging his tentacles to the whole party.
     
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  7. Surim

    Surim Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't matters if others are afk or boting, I just wanna fight it with headphone in my ear full volume , you won't understand the pleasure of fighting that thing after watching full re-zero (anime) again
    And I am a mage so finale and magical arrow shooting at it feels quite amazing too .... totally can't wait to battle it again and if you damage it the most you're name will be shown at top of the screen ♡-♡
     
  8. Undead

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    @Xiavu
    Yeah, i survived toram only using an iconos xtal, because im afraid of getting hurt (maple hehehe) and so i choose characters that can survive more with good enough damage as to not pull the the others down, just relaxing ever since the rollback happened, but throwing non stop finale and doing the same fighting style over and over again made me decide to try something outside my comfort zone, but i think will be rewardingly cool, but dying multiple times than enjoying the battle itself is not fun so i need tips.

    @Yunan
    I fear that reflex skill, but will love to use it if the cost of becoming a paper is the ability to move like the wind and can be like water hehehe, but wow 260% its a nice looking combo, yeah proration and impact are another issue but what fear fear the most is getting knocked out very easily, but using other skills to avoid kinda cool hahaha.

    But accidents do happen like stun, sleep and other things that can make your eyes open wide, in that scenario can i avoid, dodge or survive spell and skills, or i just accept the fact that i will be blown to kingdom come.

    @Others
    My post is basically about dual wielders advantage, survivability and evasion and dodge advantage, also knowing that there is a cap limit on each, also if my decision of going to fit my playstyle and current types of insane mini bosses.

    @Masso
    Im hoping for a Bofuri Collaboration, where Maple in all forms is the insane boss, hehehe :D.
     
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  9. Amaymon

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    Here comes p.pierce & m.pierce builds flooding YouTube and amazing scrubs who only know how to copy paste.
     
  10. UfuLamb

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    I can see that your going for agi-str, if your not planning to use gsw, having an atck speed build to reach 5k-10k atckspeed would help, dw has a very slow atack animation and needs a little bit (a lot!!) of getting used to. Having a high motionspeed helps a lot

    Am not really that much a fan of dw, but i've noticed that its easier to dodge/survive by abusing skills like reaper/cross/phantom/backstep rather than running around like most other classes.

    Also practicing attack cancelling can help in a pinch.

    My go to combo for dw is spinning>impact(cons)>ss(smite)>finale(smite) or trigger(cons)
    Finale ender is a 2:1:0 prorate while trigger is 2:2:0 (magic;phys:neutral)
    A lvl10 spin can also take care of the mobs unless theyre tough as nails
     
  11. Undead

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    Hahahahaha, just like i the anime, i don't want to add spoiler but i will just say, Counter and A total White Whale like mayhem :D.

    Im thinking of the same thing for spinning, to remove those mobs and maybe a halberd inspired farming skill too, the only downside that i can think of is that if i can be part of a mass kill mini boss party or dw is not fit for mass kill?, also a waste to use training books and the only way i can think of is to switch out the skill in such a situation but the proration will obviously change.

    I have watched a 20 minutes long youtube video about a dual wield with 10,000 Aspd, It really looks like a good idea, but i also want to get all possible evasion and dodge skills like in the Assassin skill tree and Battle skill tree and light armor to reach 75% evasion cap but obviously the skill points will not be enough :biblethump:.

    Maybe a 50% will feel the same with a 75% evasion or am i just fooling myself, I also heard that its possible for a spell to miss you or suddenly do that automatic evading animation? :rolleyes:.
     
  12. Undead

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    I cant edit my replies, so im just gonna add this here, is it ok to drop decoy shot? Or the whole bow skill tree? Or it is really much recommended. Also does decoy shot+power wave works? Although i doubt im gonna try this.

    I rarely observe other players before throwing my skills but I mostly use normal attack until my mp is full before i use skills again or if my normal attack drops really low, sometimes i see my normal attack increase by three times than normal, in such case i stay using normal attack, along with berserk+rampage .

    Also Berserk+Reflex = negative def/mdef?, i mean does it stack or just drop to 0.
     
  13. Amaymon

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    Power wave doesn't apply to decoy.
     
  14. Undead

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    Oh, so bad :(
     
  15. UfuLamb

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    it stacks, if your def/m.def becomes negative, you can use rampage to force lock it to 0.

    As for evasion, (as of the moment) skills that doesnt directly target you, cannot be evaded, evasion will be quite useless if your not the tank. You also cannot evade magic skills.
    And the upcoming update on the rework of guard/eva can make or break eva builds, so IMO it would be best to wait for the update before making eva/guard builds
     
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  16. Undead

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    You have just thrown a bomb straight at me and my jaw dropped hitting the ground :biblethump:.

    A negative defensive stats is going to hurt really bad, so i will need to use rampage (check) :).
    Basically if large AoE attack or a large radius spike is targeting the tank, then it will hit me instead of having the chance to evade it, waaaaa :(.
    Cant evade Magic skills like bullet, nukes or laser type and i'll have 0 defensive stats, i hear voices in my head saying stick to 1 hand or face a gruesome death :biblethump:.

    I was hoping to use a dual wield until 215 cap because i was also anticipating the upcoming knights skills and the possibilities of a free reset along with it or before the actual release of the skill, so for now im thinking of doing what can be feasible or then maybe wait :(.
     
  17. UfuLamb

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    No worries, 0def aint as squishy as it looks, 250 def/m.def is only 20%-ish dmg reduction, you can offset it a little by using dark talisman (resist) and maybe try to pull some resist ava stat.

    or just keep it simple and add a lot of hp to soak the dmg like a sponge... so far the hp sponge method works fine with my rampage+berserk 2hs having 13k-15k hp with food, a bit of vit and vita+. (be warned that it consumes a lot of revita if, youre lazy evading stuff, like me)
     
  18. RyeUshio

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    Title : Rant bout Bloody Crystal* ^_^
     
  19. Undead

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    You have given me hope, hahahaha, well i decided to go through with it, although i think 10k hp is what i can be able to manage probably, also first problem i encountered was the skill points management, weeeee.

    Im trying to make all my titles a bit catchy :bloodtrail:.

    Also, you're one of the insanely powerful guys out there, any tips to add for a low budget dual wielders wannabe, like me?
     
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    RyeUshio The Blue Bull Super Likable Elite Member

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    Unfortunately, I don't have a dw character, also I ain't powerful.

    An op dw would be @MetaFlux, you should ask him for guidance. ^_^
     

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