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Build Idea for Staff-Fu, Support semi-DPS

Discussion in 'Hybrid' started by Megabyte, Nov 16, 2020.

  1. Megabyte

    Megabyte New Member

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    Hi guys, some introduction here, i'm new at Toram (started 3 weeks ago) :), so the point of this build is to be able to support your party while be able to deal a somewhat decent damage. because sadly, full support is not popular in toram :(, this is just a concept/idea tho, as i haven't made this build yet

    ZA BUILD :​
    # STATS
    STR 255 > VIT 55 > AGI 200 > Rest STR

    Why ? because STR gives more ATK and Crit Damage, and VIT gives more survavibility (coz dead supporter is no supporter), and AGI gives nice ASPD (to prorate) and CSPD (to cast aura and chakra) and AGI also gives bonus multiplier to Chariot. As to why i don't max AGI instead of STR, it's because not like knuckle main, AGI doesn't increase ATK for staff main.

    # SKILLS :
    Total SP : 285 +-

    - Magic Skill :
    Impact (7) > Finale (1) (for combo ender)
    MP Recharge (10) > Maximizer (10)
    Staff Mastery (10) (optional, to increase a bit of ATK)

    - Shot Skill :
    Long Range (10) (increase Chariot damage)

    - Martial Skill :
    Smash (6) (for 100% flinch) > Chariot (10)
    Martial Mastery (5) (coz only affect knuck main) > Martial Discipline (10) > Chakra (10)

    - Guard Skill :
    Mirage Evasion (1 - 10) (I recommend to max mirage because you need more mobility while MP charging and casting Chakra)

    - Survival Skill :
    HP Boost (10) (optional, for more survavibility)

    - Support Skill :
    First Aid (10)
    Heal (10)
    Brave Aura (10) - High Cycle (10) - Quick Motion (10)

    - Minstrel Skill :
    Ad Lib (1)

    - Dancer Skill :
    Spirited Dance (10)

    - Battle Skill :
    The usual 10 - 5 - 10 - 10 on the 2nd Row

    *You can get Goliath punch too if you need more DPS variation, but of course no god hand coz you need to get hit to increase the stacks

    # EQUIPMENTS
    I must apologize, because i'm still new, i don't have any knowledge about xtall and statted equipment, so i'll give you the low budget version instead
    Again, i apologize for my noobiness~

    Main : Lil Empress Staff (Drop at Venena)
    Sub : Any knuckle
    Armor : Bark Mail (NPC)
    Add : Camouflage Scarf (Drop from Mobs)
    Special : Dark Knight Amulet (Drop from Mobs)

    As for Xtall you can put +MP or +Crit Rate

    As you can see, my goal is to reach -100% Aggro, because i like to make those around me MY tank
    of course this gear can be upgraded further to increase your DPS with 2s +S and Xtall equipments in the future (which i don't have any knowledge about rn)

    # COMBO
    - Impact > Chariot (smite) > Finale (smite) 500 MP
    Or : Impact > Chariot (smite) > Chakra (cons) 400 MP (less mobility)

    - Ad Lib > Impact (cons) > Chariot (smite) > Chakra (cons) > Spirited Dance (cons) 300/200 MP (low mobility and need timing for dancer)

    I prefer to use my chakra and spirited dance manually for more mobility, i have maximizer to recover MP after all

    # PROS AND CONS
    PROS :

    - You can hit from afar with chariot, which gives more survavibility
    - Lot of aura buffs to support your team (damage, CSPD, and ASPD)
    - Spirited dance + chariot to recover your team MP
    - you have Heal to.... heal and help reviving the DPS (dead per second) players
    - you can say "LFP DPS support" at chat, so people might invite you to the PT

    CONS :
    -
    Low stability compared to knuck main
    - Mid to low DPS compared to DPS main (obviously)

    i guess that's all, my goal for posting this build idea is to ask you guys, experienced and veteran players, is this build a hit or a miss ?
    any input, feedback, etc is very welcomed
     
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  2. The Brahmnic Boy

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    • Cough cough. Okay, I'm not a veteran, I'm 3 months old, but I can see some things with your build.
    • I can never be angry at someone who likes Knuckle skills.
    • Staff Mastery must never be optional. +30% weapon ATK is not a low amount.
    • Goliath cannot be used by non Main Knuckle.
    • AGI for Staff gives...
    • ASPD. So for 200 AGI it is 359 ASPD. Not that high. Useless. Knux, in comparison will give 920 ASPD.
    • Abandon AGI, cuz High cycle already gives much better ASPD.
    • The only reason you are taking AGI is for the Chariot bonus multiplier.
    • After you invest a total of 500 points in total, the stat cap increases to 510.
    • Therefore, invest more in STR and VIT, probably also INT since it increases ATK a little. But VIT might be better.
    • AGI might be useful if you want to use Chariot since its Multiplier increases with AGI.
    • Don't bother with Proration. Staff is too slow even with AGI to prorate properly. Let Brawlers or DW or Katana prorate.
    • Chakra + Spirited dance + Breathworks at 1000 CSPD is a good combo to have. It heals 300 MP every few seconds for all Pt.
    • Beware healing people who use War cry of Struggle for Mana Regen. It requires less than 50% HP for them. If you want to heal them, you also hve to keep their MP up.
    • Don't worry about accidentally taking aggro. If you have a tank it's the tank's job to get the aggro. Suit your equips to Damage and CSPD, probably even survivability.
    • Wait I'll follow with the Equipment
     
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  3. RyeUshio

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    @Megabyte Use knux md instead. Agi > str stat, mpcharge, maximizer, decoy and resonance for mp, then you will be able to use goliath punch and annihilator, but ofc you can still do the support skills that you want. ^_^
     
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    Agree with this idea. Staff Fu is good, however the goddamn useless investment in AGI really underutilizes the build compared to Staff Dagger or Staff Shield ATK type builds.
    1. I use farming character as Knux MD, but I have support skills as well so that I can level up this character (and so that people choose me)
    2. Chakra + Spirited dance + Breathworks is still good, people told me they love the 300 MP injection + resistance every few seconds.
    3. However, Sub MD causes 15% reduction in ATK, and even the Magic warrior mastery skill causes 5% reduction in ATK. You need to add an xtal just to compensate for the drawback.
     
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    Wow, thanks for the insight guys :D

    I see... yeah i think so as well, AGI is only useful for chariot damage in staff-fu, probably gonna put the stat points elsewhere

    well i can simply use finale + support skill, but in my opinion finale is a bit too simplistic and have less mobility, and also staff sub knux gives -15% Matk too, so I choose to use physical skills instead...

    Having a real dilemma right now, i really wanted to use knux md at first so i'll be able to utilize annihilator and goliath, but seeing that sub MD gives -15% Atk is kinda making me sad ><

    I was also interested on making staff sub dagger char with dagger and assassin skills as main DPS, but the problem is, i can't get the full potential of chakra anymore, sigh~
     
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    You can still go ahead with Chariot if you want - it's still a viable build with 200 AGI.
    It's not a new idea - staff Fu was very famous.

    However with Annihilator even ordinary Knux could match the potential of that. So people moved on.

    You can still try to build this. I will help with Equipment and xtals, and also skills. I'm in a hurry atm, so catch you up later.
     
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    Thanks a bunch bro, don't worry, take your time :D
     
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    You can also do knux md, but go magic by having staff stats on your knux. That way there's no -atk from md, can still use mpcharge, maximizer, decoy, resonance and annihilator, but instead of chariot, you will be using burst > finale. ^_^
     
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    • With all due respect, I tried to do something like that, even got the character to level 162, but then I realised it just doesn't match your expectations well if you're going with a dps front.
    • If you're going to go INT = AGI you cannot use Finale, and if you go INT > DEX then you can't reach Burst caps, besides the damage is much lower than for Staff.
    • It's best to put a Magic centered KnuxMD build on hold until we see what the tier 4 MagicBlade skills have to offer, until then KnuxMD is good for support and farming, but it really disappoints on the dps front, and if you're investing anyways, you can invest in actual staff dps build.
    • The value per spina invested is currently less. Let's wait and see what happens.
     
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    So, first let's tackle :
    • 300 STR
    • 60 VIT
    • 200 AGI
    • Smash - (6)
    • Chariot - (total 30)
    • Sonic wave - (10)
    • Chakra - (25)
    • Maximizer - (30)
    • Impact - (22)
    • Finale - (1)
    • Long range - (15)
    • Sneak attack - [10] [optional]
    • Spirited Dance - (15)
    • Intimidating power - (35)
    • This tree is optional, take at the very last.
    • Mini heal + Recovery - (6)
    • Middle row - (35)
    • First aid - (10)
    • Kairiki Ranshin - (25)
    • Use in conjunction with Kairiki Ranshin for extra ATK
    • Backstep - (6)
    Costs around 286 skill points.

    • Standard 340 + S player crafted and statted to
    • A10%CD10%CD20CR20
    • xtal : Mardula for extra ATK
    • 2s option : Neo Maton sword/Some SRD xtal
    • Standard Bark Mail A10CD10%CR20
    • Xtal : Tuscog/That one LRD xtal I don't remember
    • Demonic quasar
    • Bear hat or Phantom Thief Ricotta
    • Baphomela xtal
    • Tuscog
    • Any MP ring
    • Lalvada/Venena 2
    • Tuscog

    I would really like to make one without Player crafted and without xtals, but it might deal less damage.
    • The new Ghoulfish staff is great.
     

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