cdmg, cdmg%, crate, crate%

it's either you're still missing stuff or your formula is off, entirely.

 

Ya because i could only rely on what was provided. But How would you calculate that? Since CD+ do not add a % to it? Just by relying on the material given.

 

Im suggesting that your formula might be off prior to having lack of info, it might be a multiplier than just simply adding x number per raw crit damage. This is just my opinion though, you might take it into consideration for analyzing crit damage as a whole.

 

Yap that's what I thought so too which is why I suggest makoi to do a test on higher damage and more crit gears alongside drill claw. if he has the time. Anyway u can try calculating too you know. I'll check back again if I got time, thanks to the both of you

Ciao..

 

Nah. Il hand it down to others. Hope they can provide more ifo about raw cdmge

 

I still believed roche formulas,
http://roche11.html.xdomain.jp/criticalritu.html

Crit was solid %
Crit% was multiplier from (base character "20%" + player stat "CRT")
Player stats CRT= 3.5CRT = 1% crit

Cdmg was solid %
Cdmg% was multiplier from (base character "150%" + player stat "STR")
Player stats STR= 5STR = 1% Cdmg

Drill equipment already said it all.
100crit = means all hit will be critical
-150cdmg = means negate all based cdmg char which is 150%.
If you still don't believed, test it by equip drill + other equipment with Cdmg boost.
If the damage can more than 1dmg, then it's confirmed.
Easy test I believed.

 

Thanks Man for the clarification, like what I mention earlier but in a wrong way

 

Question:

I get confused with the crit terms often, but what your saying based on this, is that every player has a base crit% of 20% and for every 3.5stat in CRT they get a increase 1% to that base crit? Example for CRT=7 will crit%= base character "20%" + "2%"= 22% for overall crit%?

And based on what i get from this are you saying that for every 5STR a player has, they get 1% extra cdmg%?

Note: I'm a complete noob to the game so i'm just looking through guides and discussion to gather as much info as possible to help make up my mind on what class and build fits me and other helpful stuff. So i'm only asking to make sure i understand what you mentioned.

 

Ah sorry, based character critical rate should be 25%, based on Roche,
he is just ordinary Japanese player who test it.

Even so, All his calculation may be wrong. Because Ashobimo not confirmed the true formula yet.
However, that is the best formula I get there.

Here: http://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/critical-formula.3585/
It is Kopi's tread about critical thingy, It's also had similar calculation.

 

Ok thanks i get a understanding of it now then, it just that the actually formula is not confirmed also thanks for the link to a next thread that discuss the formula about crit rate and crit dmg i really appreciate it .

 

Agreeed ithink crirate and cridamage that not in % is for beginer arm like lv 20 30 because that lv base state is very low . Its like cast speed 7% and castspeed7 , castspeed 7 diractly add 7 castspeed to your status while dex 7% give like 100+castspeed if u full dex. Remind u that castspeed 7 and crirate7 consume the same pot. Now many BS try to craft arm like crirate 7 cridamage4% this very noob state comsume only 30 pot compare to crirate7%cridm4% a bit gamble

 

Ok guys head up here
I've made an experiment between cridm7 vs cridm4%
I use 2 arms which are arm dex7 cridm7 and arm dex7 cridm4%
The test is at warmonger
Ex1
I do only normal atk to boss notice and compare cridamage outcome btween these 2 arms .
The result is these 2 arms give almost the same damge. Bot arm cri around min1000 1100 1200 1300- 1600 max cri . No one do less and more than this. Let go 2 second experiment
Ex2
I do the same method but..this time i do 2 hits normal atk and moba consecutively
Hit 2 times>moba>hit 2 time>moba>hit2time>moba
And notice the cridamage of all moba shot
The result is
-Arm dex7 cridm 7 gives a moba cri 2000-2600 cri and rare 3000cri
-Arm dex7 cridm4% give moba cri 3000+ always nimimum is 2600
So ...my conclusion is cridm7 wilbe good for low damage cri
But cridm4% give extra mass damage when u do high damge like 5k 10k+
More pot comsune= better
That why when someone do experinent with 20-30 damage the outcome is cridm not in percent id better
And i think its the same function with crirate7%and crirate7 castspeed7 castdpeed7% atk7 atk7%
Personally crirate or cridm not 7 percent is useless(its good but not good enough) i feel bad when i saw some bs try to craft something like Atk4%cridm6 ,atk4% crirate7, or even that all fucking noob item and they sell to newbies or noobies very expensive(acually cost like 150-180 but they sell 400k+ which its not gamble state )
Many mislead info. in forum becareful!
My Sniper dex 150 in personal stat cri to aco 70k+ ,94k to flare volg as in pics all my xtal is s.roar and 1 eerie
If u dont believe me u csn do your one test

 

@TheNhui
You maybe right about cdmg.
the +x% is better than +x value

But for Critical Rate,
the Critical +x% is the useless one.
Just compare
+30% critical rate = Jamandhar drop version
vs
+100 Critical rate = Drill drop version by monlight potum

Result,
Drill will boost your critical rate 100%, yes 100% your hit will be critical.

So choose your stat wisely.
Crit + = Good stat
Cdmg + = so so
Crit +% = so so
Cdmg +% = Good stat

 

I think 7%crirate is betterthan critate 7
100 crirate is so very very big amount that why can cri 100%
Critate 30% add diraclty
Ex. If your char have 20 chace to cri if equip jamandhar will be 50%cri
100 crirate so so much haha
Bs try to scam buyer btween crirate7% and crirate7

 

I want u test also but u know crirate is very hard to test
My theory is more pot comsune more benefit
Cri7%consume dubble pot compare to crirate 7

 

Crit + and crit +%
Consume the same pot FYI.
Please test again, separately because adding another crit type stat on the same equip will add extra pot due to penalty pot.

 

Crit 7 consume 7pot
Crit 7% consume 7pot
Cdmg 7 consume 21pot
Cdmg 4% consume 40pot

 

Hello, saw this and found it interesting, thus I decided to contribute as well . Below are results of an experiment conducted with two weapons, on lvl8 blue jellies, with first-hit astute only. Ty @Odin for loaning me your mana pts
- wooden sword @10 with critdmg4% and
- wooden sword @10 with critdmg7.
(my mistake here as I should not have used wooden sword due to it's low stability, but I have no more mana to try with shortswords and hence had to make do with the wooden swords and crazy amount of numbers to record)

Spoiler: all Critdmg7 recorded values

Critdmg7
1841 1841
1874 1874 1874 1874
1907 1907 1907 1907
1941 1941 1941
1974 1974
2008 2008 2008 2008
2042 2042
2075 2075
2108
2142 2142
2175 2175
2208
2243 2243 2243
2276 2276
2307
2343 2343 2343
2376 2376 2376 2376 2376 2376
2409
2443 2443 2443 2443 2443 2443
2460
2498
2510 2510 2510 2510
2544 2544 2544
2577
2610 2610
2644 2644
2711 2711 2711
2745 2745 2745
2778 2778 2778 2778
2806
2811
2845 2845 2845 2845 2845
2878
2912 2912 2912
2960
2979 2979
3012
3046 3046 3046
3079 3079
3112 3112 3112
3147 3147 3147
3180
3213 3213
3247 3247
3280 3280 3280
3313 3313 3313 3313
3348 3348 3348
3536

Spoiler: all Critdmg4% recorded values

Critdmg4%
1830
1863
1896
1930
1963 1963
2029 2029
2129
2162 2162 2162
2195
2295 2295
2329 2329 2329 2329 2329
2395
2462 2462
2495 2495 2495 2495 2495
2562
2595
2629
2761 2761 2761
2828
2861
2961 2961 2961 2961 2961
2994 2994
3027 3027
3061
3094 3094
3194
3209
3227 3227 3227 3227
3327 3327
3401
3439
3515

Comparisons (left critdmg7 vs right critdmg4%)
1841 -> 1830
1874 -> 1863
1907 -> 1896

1941 -> 1930
1974 -> 1963
2008 -> 1996

2042 -> 2029
2075 -> 2062
2108 -> 2095

2142 -> 2129
2175 -> 2162
2208 -> 2195

2243 -> 2229
2276 -> 2262
2307 -> 2295

2343 -> 2329
2376 -> 2362
2409 -> 2395

2443 -> 2429
2476 -> 2462
2460 -> ????
2498 -> ????
2510 -> 2495

2544 -> 2529
2577 -> 2562
2610 -> 2595

2644 -> 2629
2678 -> 2662
2711 -> 2695

2745 -> 2728
2778 -> 2761
2806 -> ????
2811 -> 2794

2845 -> 2828
2878 -> 2861
2912 -> 2894

2495 -> 2928
2960 -> ????
2979 -> 2961
3012 -> 2994

3046 -> 3027
3079 -> 3061
3112 -> 3094

3147 -> 3127
3180 -> 3161
3213 -> 3194
???? -> 3209

3247 -> 3227
3280 -> 3261
3313 -> 3294

3348 -> 3327
3536 -> ????
???? -> 3401
???? -> 3439
???? -> 3515


*numbers in black are actual recorded values
*numbers colored green have not been recorded but are a estimated value of the missing number
*numbers colored red I believe are a result of 'smash lvl5'
*I've divided the numbers into group of three to make it easier to view.
*This was done using a Dual-Wielder, full dex with crit-up lvl 7.
*I do not have a Str character and can't test the difference on them , But I believe for characters with no Str, Critdmg7 is better whereas for characters that have str, Critdmg4% is better
*note due to the mistake of using wooden swords, there is a chance that I might have compared the wrong values
*I have no mana pts to try and test Crit and Crit% but I personally feel Crit is better and I believe in the formula mentioned earlier too.