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Character Dilemma

Discussion in 'Toram Online Class Discussions' started by -Kazuki-, Jan 1, 2020.

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Thoughts?

Poll closed Jan 2, 2020.
  1. Full Tank and Full Production(alchemist+statter+crafter+refiner)

    75.0%
  2. Hybrid Tank(tank+crafter) and Decent Production(alchemist+statter+refiner)

    25.0%
  1. -Kazuki-

    -Kazuki- Well-Known Member

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    Aight, so I have 7 DPS(2h, dw, mage, halberd, katana, bow, knuckle), 1 LUK char and 1 Hybrid(Tank+Alchemist+Blacksmither).

    With the latest updates on blacksmithing, I was thinking of making some adjustments on my hybrid char, so, should I :
    1. Reset my char to a full tank. Because everyone needs a tank nowadays and I think tank is a must-have character.
    2. Reset my char to full production(blacksmith+alchemist). It has Lv100 Prof on Synthesis and Lv50-ish Prof on Blacksmith currently. Will always be useful.

    - Pros :
    1. If I reset to full tank, my char list would be complete(not including support) and a tank would be really useful as I already have 7 DPS.
    2. If I reset to full production, I can make stuff on my own.

    - Cons :
    1. If I reset to full tank, the level that this char is currently at would be a waste(currently lvl 196), because tank doesn't really need levels. And my prof would also go to waste, and all the blacksmith+alchemist related stuff's potential I could have would be gone.
    2. If I reset to full production, I won't have a tank. Which is bad considering I currently don't have any defensive char.

    Fyi, I do have enough orb to buy another character slot. So should I buy it? Or should I save it and use it for something else?

    Any opinions are welcomed. Thank you.
     
  2. The Lost One

    The Lost One THOT BEGONE AGENT Elite Member

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    Well, you can reset yer tank smith and alchemist into tank smith.

    I am not sure what kind of preffered weapon you use as a tank but I recommend bowgun. You only have to get decoy, p.def, guardian and shield cannon and yer good to go for tanking. Include those shield buff also that increases resistance and provoke as main aggro generator(this so underrated, it does not ruin proration and gives instant 1.2k aggro if I remember it right).

    About the alchemist, just open up a new char slot and level up the synth prof once again. It's not that hard if yer willing to farm fn or if yer rich enough buy em. Make it into a tech refiner synth and you can just forget about leveling that char when it has 255 tech.
     
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    catloaf Well-Known Member

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    Just reset your char to full production, since statting needs lvl cap, then get a new char slot to make a tank ^^
     
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  4. Lenwok

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    VIT/TEC smith/refiner/statter makes the most sense now, since high prof level makes your mats cost cheaper when statting, and arm smith needs no other secondary stat so would already have TEC anyway.

    For me, i still separated into 2 production chars. One for alchemy/refining (DEX/TEC) and the other for arm smith and statting (VIT/TEC). Reason is to allow more SP on each char to still make them decently battle capable. Having one char take all prod skills really wouldn't leave much left to take into a fight~! :confused:
     
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  5. -Kazuki-

    -Kazuki- Well-Known Member

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    What bowgun should I use? Also, what's the benefit for using bowgun as a tank other than you can attack from afar?

    This is what I was thinking too x.x

    I mean I do mostly use my alchemist just to synth app.. Hmm


    So far I can only draw 2 conclusions, I should either:
    1. Reset to hybrid tank(crafter+tanker, vit/tec) and make full production(alchemist+refiner+statter, dex/tec)
    2. Reset to full tank(vit/mtl) and make full production (alchemist+refiner+statter+crafter, dex/tec)

    (Or do it the other way around(production 1st, tank 2nd))
    Any pros and cons for these options?
     
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  6. UfuLamb

    UfuLamb Well-Known Member

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    umm, delete/reset one of yer dps and make it a tank?
    a versatile production class is always awesome for personal use or to help others. ;)
     
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    Isra Cock and Ball Torture Elite Member

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    Make a true tank. Nothing bad with maxing a tank; more stat points, more optimization.
     
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  8. -Kazuki-

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    They are all equally as good though, so I can't choose which one I should reset qwq

    It would be a pain in the ass to level up a production class from lv1 as I'd need to make it dps first then reset when it's capped. Unless you mean make the tank 2nd?
     
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    If you only use the char to synth apps, might as well throw away the synthesis (mid line) skills and only keep the top and bottom line skills. That way you'd have enough skill points to be able to make armors, refine, stat, synthesize apps, and a decent tank.
     
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    I already do that... Still not enough sp to do other things
     
  11. The Lost One

    The Lost One THOT BEGONE AGENT Elite Member

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    Well imo, it invest less sp than the other 2 weapon tank (oh & knux). No need to take arm break or smoke dust to make mid combo aggro generator (using those ruins proration, it doesn't help ffs) provoke is enough.
    ✓Decoy, 25sp used shot tree to get the skill
    ✓Shield Cannon,Guardian, protection & Aegis, 50sp from shield tree
    ✓Perfect Defense & Provoke, 30sp from knight skill tree
    ✓Recovery & Sanctuary 20sp
    ✓Anvil novice to master(5sp on each anvil), creation & customize, 85sp (excluding refine skills)

    210sp total and have some spare skill points to get some other skills.

    If you did summer even then diver's bowgun is a must. If you did yashiro and crafted old npc gear then cone bowgun 3.

    Pros of using bowgun is decoy's range and the safest tank imo to do because you are not prone to inner shark waves and spike.

    Cons is the lack of interrupt skill such as flinch and tumble.
     
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    Looking at his prof lvl, he just want lock 3 from alchemist tree. So, 35 sp for that will leave enough to take refine skills. Maybe shave decoy a bit to get the necessary sp.
    Seriously though, that's just the barebones for useable tank. If you really want a tank, get another character slot for full blown tank. The framework that The Lost One provided should be enough to continue lvling the tec character. It's not even locked to be bg tank. Any weapon can use that and be decent tank. But it doesn't have any advantages for any weapon except for bg's range and no pause decoy.
     
  13. -Kazuki-

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    See I don't like the fact that you can't use interrupt skill x.x and I wouldn't mind getting hit by close ranged attacks since I'll only be tanking normal bosses and not high diff. bosses, so they won't hurt THAT bad.

    Maybe I really should make a full tank :/

    Edit: added polls so I can easily see what you guys think
     
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    Yep, it is not limited to bg but bg gets the advantage of it because of decoy range so that is why I recommend it. It can decently tank mini bosses and some bosses for levels. This so far the best smith tank I can think of imo specially, venena will be out of the picture at 205 cap, mini boss farming will be the option for levels.

    Also some bosses became bad news when get interrupted. Full lock interruption is mostly used on event bosses afik.

    I gave my opinion so I guess that is all I can say for now and for the poll, based on what he wanted then I choose 1st option. He better go full production and do different char slot for tank.
     
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    mun1409 Well-Known Member

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    I have a full production (craft, statting, refine, synthesis and 4 lock) chara. After all the skill used for them, only have about 44 sp left. Used them for dt on a whim. 1 str dt with +s reaper did about 150k per hit on seele nm. Soo bad. I can just reset them but my guildmate has aggreed to help me lvl for next cap. Can also use my 2 diary to redo mq i guess. My point is, further lvling will be hard. With a few more sp, either tank or finale character can be made from this. Tank mean vit vs for armor, finale for int bs for staff.
    In any case, i think this will be better in the long run as bs prof reducing mat consumed for statting is huge. U can make a full blown tank with the other character.
     
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    The Lost One THOT BEGONE AGENT Elite Member

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    I agree. I picked tank instead of mage because I like tanking a lot than brainless finale spamming from mage.

    Getting more levels are getting hard every cap so I need a statter and a smith which can at least level, competent enough not to be called leecher and less obvious to be called one in conclusion, tank. No one will judge your damage, they will only judge how you do well at tanking boss. That's it.

    I hate doing xp quest, farming it like for hours is super tedious. Fck it, not my style and am not enjoying it.
     
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    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Turn your hybrid tank into a hybrid cf, that way you can participate decently on every new leveling bosses. All you need to have is crossfire, snipe and decoy shot. A refiner/customizer/alchemist

    Then, create a vit>mtl tank with create equipment to craft armors. Create a tank with bare minimum of skills such as decoy, aegis/protection, guardian, shield cannon, sanctuary and heal, dont max out p def to save you some sp. Get stargems for the interrupt skills from the knuck tree. If you just want to create some 2s adventurer garbs, you dont even have to max out the proficiency limit break. Also, get a level 1 sneak attack, paired with decoy shot you'd get 2 party buff skills that gives universal aggro.
     
  18. Undead

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    Suggestion Tip:
    For non all weapon smith players only.
    1 Physical DPS that you love :),
    1 Magical DPS that, you love :),
    1 Tank Armor Smith or just Pure Tank (since they can join any event or any situation if lacking in any DPS character offense or disadvantage restrictions :p),
    1 Pure Synth Upgrader Crafter.
    1 Slot for new character trials.
    All character slots obtain free without using orbs :).

    My Mononofu and Bow have almost same stats, skills and gear so I sometimes just use oblivion or during free reset ;).
    DW, Halberd and Knuckle can be too (they took my character trial slot, the only difference that they have is main skills ;))
    Many character slot is a boredom trap unless you enjoy grinding than farming or the news for production material limit :p:D.

    I hope this helps you decide, youll save lots of money and grinding time too.
     
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    I have made my decision: I will reset my char to full production and make a full tank in the future. Thanks for all the replies guys :)
     

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