"Class Racism"

Fellow brawler here!!!
The only thing about Brawlers is that its like we don't exist XD
The population of Brawlers in Toram is like 3%
And some of Them mutated HaIf-Way into Wep-Fu HyBrids LOL.
(At least the creators gave tought about updating some martial skills this coming 06/23/16 can't wait for the latest update )

 

I've seen many knuckle tanks and almost to no actual knuckle build. Considering the amount, they're mostly used for tanks and maybe this is why?

 

its just an excuse so they could lvl up in a farming zone thus saving their own skin(character) in the process.

 

Looks like I came back to late to reply on the farming debate. Oh well. Got a rant to make though!

On why there are so many Knuckle tanks. It's because Drill Knuckles are one of the most reliable tanking weapons in the game. DEX isn't needed at all when using them. A small investment in AGI will net you maxed aspd, or no AGI investment will net you with a high base aspd. Everything else can just be dumped into VIT. Hell it even allows the use of every skill in the game that helps tanking. It's the weapon that would make anyone think..."Yep Asobimo really wants Knuckles to tank, break, and do nothing else".
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Why there are no Knuckle (Martial Arts) users outside of those?

Most of the players that didn't use them for tanks found that they are extremely lackluster at anything else besides that shiny breaker rank. Or a very rare support build that uses Knuckles INT advantage to heal, knockdown, support ect. Anyway. Most eventually found that they were an extremely replaceable support class.

-Forget Maze if you're not a tank.
Disables aren't important enough in my experience to make your run any faster if you're not the tank. You're simply using up a dps slot that could be fit by anybody else better. Even with a +B weapon, you'll find yourself lagging behind a competent slightly geared Sniper, Swordsman, or Mage.

-Forget mini bosses if you're not a tank.
Don't want to be the tank? Then you're only taking up time that a Mage or Sniper could be cutting. If your tank cannot survive well, you'll be able to help there. That shouldn't be the case ideally though.

-Oh you're a Breaker?
Coolio, but keep in mind that anyone can be a breaker and deal more damage than you as well. This is a huge problem if your party is competent. More mobile bosses alleviate the problem. Bosses that don't move much typically have a CC penalty and drop most of your usefulness to Shell Breaking and Lethargy.

-Knuckles suck as a main weapon.
So yeah, delete the character if you expect to do decent damage using knuckles as a main weapon. Your damage is eclipsed by any other source by a large margin in most cases. Even investing into large sums of aspd will not shove this anymore into your favor. Invest in crit? You get the least out of crit investments among all the weapon classes besides magic weapons. Yes, you'll get a lot with Jahamadar, but compare this investment to Swordsman and Archers. It's laughable. Then pair off that knuckles have the worst weapon stats in the game purposefully, and it just kind of catches up to you.

-Knuckles are one of the best side weapons.
Martial Art skills have no real penalty for a knuckle being on your butt. As I said before, Knuckles base stats suck for the most part. AGI and DEX scale worse than any melee weapon in general. Bonus's from STR provide a CRT Damage boost as well as damage to any other weapon along with scaling equally to AGI at worst. Also, guess what? Everyone one handed weapon still gets an equal boost to Martial Arts simply because it's attached to your butt. :v. It's a joke.

So yeah, why even use Knuckles when the world is against you using it outside of maybe tanking? It's at this point that anytime someone says Brawlers are "fine" that I laugh. If they were fine, they wouldn't under 10% of the population. There are plenty of people that like them. It's just absolutely terrible playing with them when you could be playing anything else.

 

the last update had a lot of improvements for knuckles, but i guess there are too few main brawlers to notice it.
the skill balancing on snipe was noticed immediately because there are far too much snipers around

 

Class racism always has been a issue that All MMOrpgs suffer from. Toram is no different. I even said my say on this way back. But sometimes, You have idiots who aren't so inconsiderate and discriminative about other classes that they'll try anything to keep their "class persona." Its just how everything works.

 

Nisel has become a place where some mages ceterans and nubs feel they are some sort of higherarchy lol

 

The class balancing helped a lot actually. Just started playing again today to check them out. Quit a few months back because Brawler was so bad to play without it being a tank. Got depressing honestly. These updates change a good bit of the negatives. Just wish they kept the damage on Aggravate/Strong Chase along with the new noticably higher proc chance. I'll be making a new brawler some time this week to try things out. I'm hopeful, but the scaling of knuckles still has me wary.

 

Im a brawler. AGI CRT build.
the last update almost make me cri...

- Shell break damage is multiplied by 3-5 times depends on enemys def and your crit damage.
- Heavy smash damage is tripled.(3x) (hit twice, 1st hit deals double damage + higher crit rate, 2nd hit is normal dmg) only if guardbreak
- Aggravate damage is lower but increasing proration bonus to next attack now.. i often see my normal damage rose 4times than usual (need to test it)

Now theres noone does brawler build research. thats why the brawler popularity is less compared to other.

 

I can only hope for the day that knuckle can't be used as sub weapon, and knuckle skill are only exclusive to brawler.
I don't see many people like brawler (despise maybe), yet half of their build rely on knuckle skill.
While I never heard that a brawler need to sub themselves with arrow/sword/staff skill.

My my... I'm ranting -_-;
Nah.. I'm just sad n upset

 

They can balance out skill but they wont rly help brawlers as a main class unless they fix the point per stat for knuck mains
Srsly 0.5atk for 1 dex and 2atk per agi even less than dw returns

They myt as well make knuckle a sub skill tree if not for aggravate, strong chase and the masteries

 

brawler can have arrow, dagger, shield and MD as their sub depend on their build.

its just the build nowadays is only focusing on highest DPS
tanking, disabler, and support is no 2 and 3 priority and the last one is noone's priority.

 

They should make 2h swords equippable as sub in knuck main... that wd be sick
2atk / str but ofc they wouldnt

 

Now that is just taking it too far,I've never liked the fact that mages conquers all but instead of being a jerk and preying on innocent players,I just make a hibrid ,it's so much bettr than being a jerk

 

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Screw that lol my char is built more to strategy than the mainstream DPS,sure it won't get atk rank or anything but with it I managed to solo roga hard mode