Confuse about ASPD

i am confuse about ASPD
When i equip brutal dragon sword (atk speed500,cast speed500) with brutal dragon armor(atk speed10%)--> my ASPD become 747 and CSPD 555
But if i equip only brutal dragon armor --> my ASPD become 901 and CSPD 55
And if i equip only brutal dragon sword --> my ASPD become 732 and CSPD 555
I understand about CSPD that increase 500 as i equip sword but why my ASPD when i equip both lower than equip armor only

Thank you.

 

Are you by any chance dual wielding? this could have something to do with it, other than that I'm guessing that maybe stacking doesn't work.

 

Have you tried checking your aspd reduction with another sword? (i.e. what's your aspd with a gladius or a relic sword?) It may be lower than 732. I've read cases in which equipping armors lowers aspd due to the game's logic on fighting without weight lets you fight faster. This may apply to barehand aspd vs. sword wielding aspd, swords add a weight to your character. In this moment I can't check if this weight/aspd effect applies to weapons too. I hope you can tell us if you test it.

 

Precaria is right.

And you can't compare your ASPD with sword and without sword.
On toram, base character stat is depend on "main weapon" you are currently equipped. You can't compare any Character stats with different weapon set-up (in this case Sword VS bare hand).
To make your test accurate, just compare BD sword vs Clean sword. see the different.

Anyway, ASPD x% is not really worth if you don't any have AGI stat, because AGI is increase your base ASPD.
That %ASPD only calculate on your based ASPD (not all of your ASPD came from equip, in this case BD sword 500aspd will not calculated).

Just see your stat above,
With Sword+armor = 747 ASPD
With Sword = 732 ASPD
So 10% ASPD from your armor only add about 15 Aspd
I can say, your base ASPD with sword equipped is ~150 ASPD

 

Oh thank you
ASPD increase --> reduce time btw each normal atk,right?
what about CSPD for 1h sword what does it use for. coz i read many guide say up stat DEX (increase atk,hit and CSPD)
If i wanna b semi-tank which stat i should up DEX or VIT, - -?

 

Yes ASPD reduce the time of normal attack.
Well Idk why ashobimo put CSPD as DEX stat bonus.

If you really wanna semi-tank.
I suggest you to never mix your stat, Just mix-up your skill set.
Full DEX is okay. mix with STR is okay too, because STR also add the same p.attack growth for 1H.

Get survival skill tree:
Safe Rest: 5 points
HP Boost: 10 points > give 1000hp

Get Shield passive (you need to equip shield to make this passive work)
Shield Mastery: 5 points
Force Shield: 10 points > give 500hp
Magical Shield: 10 points > give 500hp

40SP for 2k HP, it's really worth I guess.

But remember, you must be have not enough SP for Damage boost passive skill.
But still, you can get 3 basic active skill (Hard hit, Astute, Trigger Slash) for DPS.
I believed, even without mastery for damage booster, your damage still decent because your stat are full DEX.

 

Just by reading your original post it sounds like you are attempting to use dual drop bd swords.

You recieve a penalty by dual wielding to your aspd accuracy and damage unless you further invest points in the dual wield tree.

The second issue is that your secondary weapon will not apply the aspd cspd boost as you dual wield. It only applies its damage, refine, and element if any. Nothing else. Dual bd will not apply its 500 aspd cspd on the second sword.

In your first point, bd solo you see the increase because you are not dual wielding. This your armor and weapon apply.

Adding the second sword still keeps the application of your armor and your primary bd sword, but you incurr penalties by equipping the second sword. (Doesnt matter the sword).

You counter these by dw mastery dw control and godspeed skills.

Edit: you do not also need aspd beyond about 1075.... i think its truely somewhere around 1056 but cant be bothered to look it up or link it. Anything beyond that for aspd you are wasting points. At that point you are attack capped and agi will add only damage and flee. (And cspd.... for some reason....) you wont swing any faster at 1075 aspd than at 2075.

 

Im actually leveling a ds tank. Im always getting agro so decided to cement the agro and boost survive. When im 70 and test it some I will release it.

Lets just say.... it isnt using a shield and at lvl 41 its holding agro fine.... just cant consistantly interrupt redzones yet. Working on it.

 

@Spaz
I don't think that @pokemonkab tried to do dual wield.
He just tried to look-up into ASPD added on sword and armor not properly counted. In that case is because the base ASPD for "Bare hand" is away higher than not equip any weapon.

Anyway, your lvl41 DS may need more experience on END-Game player competition. Because mostly I saw low level character not even use combo to spam.
That's why your lvl41 DS may hold agro properly.
On lvl70, when all people learn how to use combo and use lvl3 skills. I think you should have provoke if you really want get Tank-rank.
Or getting "Rage sword" skill is nice to extra DPS skill and to maintain your agro.

I decide to take Rage sword on my 2H warrior because I am not interested on lvl3 sword skill (rampage = very hard to use). and my conclusion,
Rage sword deal decent damage (equal to trigger slash). And with 200mp consumption the agro is equal as 400mp skill.

With my combo= Astute > Hardhit (consec) > Rage Sword (consec) > Trigger Slash (consec)
200mp if use 2H (total agro should be 900), and 100mp if use 1H (total Agro should be 800)
It's really not bad combo as agro generate for non provoke user.
*provoke generate 1000agro FYI.

Also FYI, As other lvl3 skill from other tree had high mp consumption, their agro is really high.
Even as pure tank, we really need more Agro generate skill to hold agro properly beside provoke I guess.

 

My 41 dw holds agro find. Right now its problem is interrupting redzones reliably until oom.

From what I can see is he used a bd sword 500aspd, added the armor saw further increase, then decided to add a second bd sword and saw the aspd take a hit below what just a bd swords 500 aspd grants and armor bonus to other stats.

This isdue to the penalties applied in game to dual wield.

If I understand his post correctly, he did not expect the following 2 things:
Adding the second sword would decrease his aspd atk flee def and hit
2) all those drops

The reason is dual wielding applies penalties.

His bonus from the bd sword in primary slot and his armor apply, slapping a second bd sword in the secondary for dual wield will not give him an automagic 1000 aspd boost. It incurrs oenalties, AND it does not apply the second bd swords 500 aspd. Ever.

My comment about my current 41 tank was about it not interrupting reds properly because i soread my points out. I can assure you however it holds agro just fine. I just cant stop reds because of how i chose to level it. At 70, it will easily stunlock bosses.

 

I don't see the point why you assume he will try to do dual wield

He use 1 BD sword
He use 1 BD Armor
He use both (BD sword and BD Armor),
He not even try to use 2 BD sword

Well done if your lvl41 DS, can really hold agro properly without provoke (or you use provoke?).

 

It seems like he was asking why his stats took a dive after he threw a second bd sword on.... only he can answer that...

As for me... i dont use provoke. I have enough agro after multiple da builds i dont needit, i substituted rage sword for twin sword into my combo rotation for the agro boost. It holds just fine and will only get stronger as i level it.

Adding in cross perry i can literally do a 8 point combo dual interrupt in it after recovery for 100mp all consec. I did this before on my prev attempt but am remaking for more hp.

 

Unarmed gives you alot of extra ASPD.
Oh wait,I think I'm missing something.

 

Unarmed instantly aspd caps u.(or very close) You just do crap dmg.... i have not tested it much by adding straight str.... but i have done 100 dmg crits with it. It also i have found, bugs out alot, the targets hp resets alot.... or it did for me... its why i abandoned it.