Good job for nerfing the ms quest

I dont know why people keep saying that a "new spina influx" would help in a general economy. What helps an economy is balancing.
It was a change, yes, an adaptable one. However without a proper spina sink the economy would inevitably become worse and worse as time went on. When there is no reason to go do something else for profit, people will be greedy towards the low hanging options. From what I've seen in game, the only spina sink that gets rid of a decent amount of spina at one time is buying oricalcum and even then that would not make a dent in some people's spina because they dont have a use for it.

With the possibility to get almost 2m spina in so little time, it would be enough to buy some pretty good stuff at a low reward for the buyer. What would be the point in selling good equipment if you can get the same amount for doing a quest over and over. The obvious solution to that would be to raise prices, which can become astronomical because of how much money can be generated without it going into a sink.

Well that may incentivize people to go and do other things, but there's also a problem in that: Opportunity cost and luck. It takes a long time to make an extremely profitable weapon and it takes many resources to actually do it as well. Resource cost would rise because of increase in demand meaning that it would take even more money to make a good item to sell. What would be the point in putting so much spina on the line when you could've made much more money just doing the quest? Yes, the value of that sword would rise, but it would be a gamble since you'd need to figure out how much money people would buy a weapon with while thinking about the 300k/10min people could get otherwise. In the eyes of someone who is just looking at spina value, they would not take the time to go make that weapon people would buy.

Would the economy fail? No, it would not, but it would be a very harsh stabling act from the people in it. As much as you could make millions from other means, everything else took luck to do. It would be hard to sway people to go do something else when it's just easier to kill 100 ms for an hour. Plus, without a sink, all that money would inevitably make things worse. And that's how Keynesian economics is supposed to work, in the short-term, over the long-term it would inevitably cause a lot of worse things.

Is 100spina a worthy nerf, no. 1k or 1.5k would've been better. But for people who would've been sad about even that nerf needs to realize how a quest that gives so much would make this worse over the long-term.

 

well, in my honest opinion..
if there's a decrease in mino farmers, the antideg price would increases as well and people would come back farm the mino skin. farming mino is crucial for refining, so it's just a cycle of antideg market economy. furthermore, the one that controlling antideg price surely allkill.
as for mats farming, people would still farm the mats because people still needs em and the price would increase too because of the ms quest.
so, the cycle continues.
when spina is easier to gain, means market price will increase.. except for the "no-brains" army that lowers the market price

 

Keep calm and farm summer shell +3+

 

Not study business but I don’t think spina easier gain will cause market price increase.
When player easy to get spina, the demand of market will increase(Because we got money to spend now). In this case, the seller will take chance to farm more those famous item to sell, this cause the competitor between seller increase as well. At the end the overall price is drop.

Example, lower level player will farm potion by themself rather then buy from CB because they prefer save money on buying equipment. When they have another source to get spina quickly, they will start turn to buy potion from CB directly, guess everyone who play solo till now know how the feel.

Beside, ppl selling cheaper just because they capable to sell it in low price, you can’t blame those people is “no-brain” because you can’t do it. There is no such thing like Fix/standard price for every item in Toram, people can just sell in any price they want, it just a problem on how much profit they can earn and how long they can doing this. A throw sell never can be a long term business, perhaps they just need some urgent money, after a while they will stop it. If they can continuous sell it on low price, this mean you can consider to change other business or make your price same to them.

 

Nope, take zimbabwe as an example. The Government infuse money instead of infuse food, medic or job. Zimbabwe got what we call hyperinflation. Maybe google can explain better than i do

Ps : it's harder to buy something with mats worth 100k instead of 100k spina right?

 

I was hoping the ms quest would last a few months before getting nerfed. If getting spina was easier for all the rmt sellers wouldn't be profitable and would inevitably quit so less bots would also be around.

I don't like youtubers that show farming spots. They ruin the game more than help it. Mitta tret farm used to give tons of mana that we didnt even need to wait for summer to make crit, elem, or low success gamble stats. That got nerfed thanks to the same guy that made the video on ms.

 

Basically a sudden influx of spina with not hurt the economy if it’s short term.
Which is why in the last 2 weeks things where crazy price wise. (Or at least I noticed when I tried to buy some potions the prices where higher then normal.) People had extra cash. So things where being bought faster and prices where going up. The economy will bounce back to normal in a couple weeks.

If the money kept going for a long time, it would in the end, create inflation within the economy.
Since everyone is now earning more and not farming what is needed it becomes harder to get. Which will then cause prices to sky rocket. As supply and demand will not match. Thus players will natural off set the cost. (Also this will be very bad for newer players as they will not have enough money to even buy basic supplies as everything will be super high in cost.)

Example: I know I didn’t farm mats or make pots for like the two weeks the quest was going. Money was way easier to get with metal stinger.


Edited: grammar

 

Keep discussing, don’t notice me

 

I strongly disagree with comparing real life economies to Toram’s economy. And not just because Toram is a video game, but because there are soooo many more variables in real life compared to Toram. It’s hardly fair.

 

But now. Lets see. After anniv and summer end, what those newbie should farm? Those newbie can't kill event or bossing like others, they keep getting kicked from party. And yet, why not just let them stay at ms too. Ms then minatour. Then repeat. Rather than minatour 24/7.

 

They can join first Anniv event, and next week octopus event also can join.

 

I personally find it better to compare Toram's economy to a real economy than it would be to compare it to Iruna like others have, at least economies in real life work.

But it is as you said, there are different variables to account for, but the same real life principles apply. We all live in real life and we all face real life economic problems, and Toram's economy is an amalgamation of real people creating a video game socioeconomy. Don't dismiss people's arguements if it talks about real life economics, because there is no easy frame of reference to how economies should work, and everyone is giving an opinion to the piece.

 

i said the same thing in another thread.. why compare a economy made by young ppl in a virtual world w real world economy?
just why!

 

Not all but Both is related, because no matter is young or old people, both is human. Human will always do the same thing no matter where they are. In fact there is also an organization willing to collect the data occur in virtual worlds to compare with real worlds, example like WoW corrupted bloody plague.

Besides, what make you believe only young people in game.......

 

real footage of people who are upset with this change

gottem

 

Toram Online , also known by many other names aswell, few of which are:
1) Decoy Online
2) Toram Offline
3) Nerf Online
4) Spina Online
5) n most recent, ‘Inflation Online’ and ‘Economy Online’
....

 

loli rp, a lot of anime nicknames and cringe ppl.
but i am not that yong btw, already at 19+ and i usually play with my friend that is 21+

 

Like I said, there are too many variables. War, famine, natural disasters, technological advancements, terrorist attacks, politics. Toram has none of these variables. Toram doesnt even have a stock market. These are major variables in economic change that I can name off the top of my head. Toram players don't face these real life economic problems and variables.
Dont compare Iruna's current economy to Toram either. Compare it to early Iruna, or Avabel or other MMORPG, much more stable and similar economies with an equal set of variables. And economies in real life dont work all the time. Look at Zimbabwe, as someone mentioned before. Or Venezuela, or Ukraine. The economies are awful. There is inflation in every economy. There are changes that people have to adapt to, and there arent any devs to nerf the change, unlike Toram. So it would be unfair to compare real life economy to Toram.

 

Um. Maybe you read that wrong or i missplled it wrong. I take zimbabwe as an infation 'example' rather than other country because it is widely known by others, the problem also kinda similar to what we have right now. I'm not saying such thing as compare real life and game life. Even compare real world to real world or game world to game world would bring disaster. No i won't do that.

Ps : taking example is one way, while comparing is two way

 

Oh boy this is something.
Yes, you are right, Toram does not have all those variables (except for technological advancement). But, even without those variables we have an economy that works and that are affected by things such as changes in consumer income, supply, demand and et cetera. The point of my post was that just like real life the game has real life counterparts. We can draw similarities to the ms to things like America thinking that they can print more money to get aggregate demand up to try to bolster the economy. I don't see people saying, "This MS quest is just like the civil war".
You can compare Toram to Iruna and Avabel as much as you want, but I've just pointed out I've seen people compare it to Iruna's current economy more than the early stages. But also remember some people have not played those games, since Toram can be played standalone and it does well in not needing to tell you all about Iruna. Some people find it easier to see reality as a frame of reference.
Yes, economies dont work all the time, Venezuela and all those other countries have middling economies. However, there is merit to comparing it to those economies as well. If we have a frame of reference for what a good and bad economy is then we can gauge how functional Toram's economy is. Not by how much money is in circulation or if they are in wartime, but by how everyone feel in their general economy. There is inflation in every economy, and there are reasons why some inflation is good or not. Take for example, if we were to have America try to print more money to increase demand in the economy, like the MS quest. If they did it for a short time like in the Great Depression, they can bring it back up from how bad it was. The MS quest did something similar to that, it was a small amount of boosted spina income for all the players for the purpose of trying to help everyone. If they did it for more than a short time, inflation would go from a good thing to a bad thing and ruin the economy further.
People always have to adapt to change, and people naturally go against change because that's human nature. But, there thing wrong with that last part of your statement was that there IS a higher power than can nerf and buff how much money is in the economy. The government in every country has the choice to devalue and value the worth of their currency based on what they do. They put holds on the mattress industry? Mattresses need to find a different way to gain higher profit. They stop minting pennies? The value of the penny actually increases due to rarity.

Making outlandish statements about how Toram's economy is the same as real life economy is not fair, I agree. But, for many people it is a good frame of reference that helps them understand how things affect the economy.