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GSW+ invincble skills

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Lucifere, Apr 3, 2022.

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  1. Lucifere

    Lucifere Angel of Rebellion Elite Member

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    Are we agree that GSW + invincible skills are making the game braindead and stupid and should be nerfed or be severely restricted?
     
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    Momoeater Well-Known Member

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    You mean the new asura aura + gsw combo? Lol
     
  3. Lucifere

    Lucifere Angel of Rebellion Elite Member

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    I mean everything that makes your motion speed going crazy + invincible skills.Its the same Ashura or Soul hunter that doesnt change anything.
     
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    Momoeater Well-Known Member

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    So why hate on players who use it?
    It's not breaking the game or anything.

    I have seen these type of thread many times and it makes not much of sense.

    Many pro players also use it.
     
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    Kousunpo Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, nothing is op nor broken about gsw+invincibility, in fact without gsw and invincibility, the bosses would be broken and op instead, and being guaranteed to be one hitted by mobs and bosses due to bad timing is already a very major downside that balances out gsw and invincibility, so there is no reason for any nerfs, sure gsw and invincibility is so good, but being guaranteed to be one hitted by mobs and bosses is already an inherent major nerf for gsw+invincibility thus justifying that it does not need any further nerfs
     
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    Lucifere Angel of Rebellion Elite Member

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    Maybe using vit that its was made the stat for
     
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    gsw limitation to class maybe so it would fix difference class speed advantage in agi class since this game has motion cap which literally all class can hit 40-50% mspd without agi easily
     
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    Eh, GSW shouldn't of been an all class skill to begin with it. That said its been abused for so long that many players cant even play without it.
     
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    Lucifere Angel of Rebellion Elite Member

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    I would just make GSW halberd only and quit invincibility part of soul hunter and other skills, only P.Def should stay.
    Start using vit instead of full attack
     
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    souul hunter to broken
     
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    Lucifere Angel of Rebellion Elite Member

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    Soul huntvis broken when motion is high as hell without it it have timing
     
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    Kousunpo Well-Known Member

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    Vit is useless if mobs and bosses can potentially hit beyond 1 million and more damage
     
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    And eventually future mobs and bosses can hit 100 million damage and beyond
     
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    Seems like a you problem, not others problem.
    Others seem to be fine with gsw all class.
    Maybe you are unable to maintain gsw. Lol

    Or you are halberd main, and too jealous that other weapons also have access to such an OP skill.:D
     
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    Kousunpo Well-Known Member

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    That seems to be exactly the case with them, they exaggerate gsw+invincibility to be op and broken, when it really isn't broken and that it is actually in fact very balanced due to extreme fragility of the user when using gsw by itself
     
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    If you think about it, halberd is a big weapon and being super fast at 50% motion speed, it doesn't seem right to make gsw halberd only.
    So devs made it fair for every weapon.
     
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    That is true and based on reason and logical fact
     
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    When Aso makes newer bosses do ridiculous damage that will shred any player anyways regardless of build (like Ocula's Magic-damage energy rain that does easily 1mil+ even to Tanks or Vlam's spammy Fractional charge), you can't really blame the majority using a supposedly unsafe buff that cuts your P/M Res% in exchange for more reaction time and higher overall speed. As a Goph+DX & HP Lv10 Food user, I find myself dying to only those cheap kinds of attacks (while as my Paladin or GSW-less Dual/Knux char); If this was Iruna Online, then actually investing into your VIT as well as P/M Res% would actually mean something there.
     
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    Thank you for providing experience that verifies that vit is definitely useless when battling extremely powerful mobs and monsters, and also proves that gsw+invincibility is not only inherently balanced due to extreme fragility of the users but also absolutely necessary at times when mobs and bosses are so powerful that they can effortlessly one shot even the bulkiest of vit builds with ridiculous attacks that deal 1 million and beyond damages.
     
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    Agreed, aside from having high HP for a mercenary build, there's a good reason why pretty much all Tanks (except for Barehand) still use PDef after all this time instead of just naturally taking every hit; the omni-present Fractionals are basically designed to always ensure that no build is truely immortal. It's also the reason lots of lots of people run Black Shadow and Ageladanios in multiple Adds, Armors and Rings even when DX Fighter is a thing now.

    Yet another factor why more people don't care for durability is how utterly useless the DEF/MDEF stats are thanks to the algorithm (250 is about the same as 20% P/M Res% but 1.25k is only 30% P/M Res%). If they finally revamped that stat one day, it would be a huge miracle & I can finally tell the difference between an Adventurer Garb and Maiden defense-wise; As it is currently, it would be like if I played Final Fantasy IV & farmed the Pink Tail for the Adamant Armor, only to find out it has the same Defense as a Leather Armor from the beginning of the game...
     
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