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Knuckles-MD vs Pure MD as Farmer

Discussion in 'Mage' started by Insane23, Jun 19, 2020.

  1. Insane23

    Insane23 Well-Known Member

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    Coryn updated today its stat calculator today and now accurately shows stats for sub-MD builds, so I decided to share this build (Yes, before it didn't show stats properly for sub-md simply because code related to it wasn't written yet).

    Knuckles-Elemental (4k MATK): http://coryn.club/stat_calculator.php?code=108035f150554d6a65
    MD-Elemental (~3.9 MATK): http://coryn.club/stat_calculator.php?code=108035f1505b0e2069
    Knuckles-Neutral (~3.8 MATK, budget): http://coryn.club/stat_calculator.php?code=108035f15098f1fc71

    While the raw difference is small, there are few details which further improve knuckles-md advantage over pure-md:
    - Annihilator (from Crusher Tree): It gives a huge boost on weapon atk for knuckles and this also reflects as MATK for knuckles. For reference, my build has 4k MATK without annhilator and around 4.5k with it.
    - Stability: Knuckles' stability is greater than most MDs, easily reaching cap stability for magic skills.

    - Just like MD/Staff, Knuckles also has 4:1 INT/MATK rate, while most other weapons have a scalling equal or less than 3:1
    - Knuckles also adds WeaponATK on base MATK, but just half of it, while MD/Staff adds whole WeaponATK. This value may be multiplied by MATK% modificator
    - Another "half" of weapon attack is added to MATK through conversion (magic blade skill), but this one isn't affected by MATK%
    - Martial mastery bonus for weapon attack% also reflects into MATK. Magic mastery has no effect on knuckles build.
    - All those weapon atk bonus are further increased by Annihilator by exactly 50% at lv10

    5 - 5 - 5 - Storm (10)
    MP Charge (10) - 5 - 5 - Maximizer (10)
    Martial Mastery (10)
    5 - 5 - Annhilator (10)
    5 - Mirage Evasion (10)
    Familia (10) - Blizzard (10)
    5 - Conversion (10) - Ressonance (1-10)
    Drop Rate Up (10)
    5 - Brave Aura (10)
    Finale (10), Burst (10), Magic Mastery (10), Shukuchi (1), HP/MP Boost (10), 10-5-5-10-Spell Burst(10), Refine Equipament (1)
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  2. Wimzi

    Wimzi Well-Known Member

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    For farming, knuckle + MD is definitely better than pure MD. In addition to the higher MATK and stability you mentioned they also can use resonance for faster MP recovery. More people need to know this so thank you! ^^ it’s sad though that the main purpose MD was recognized for has now been overshadowed.
     
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    Insane23 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, right now there is no reason to use md as main weapon because it as sub offers almost all advantages of using it as main, just like knuckles used to be.

    Even someone on budget could make a strong knuckles-md farmer using red steel knuckles, easily reaching 3500+ matk with a weapon +B ns. I'm busy for while, but I may update this later with a build like that
     
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    +Aria Kanzaki+ Well-Known Member

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    Can you kill the ivy and bubble bogeys in 1 hit using this knuckle+MD build? What's the storm damage?
     
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    Which one better? Red steel tonfa+s or anniv ele +b? For storm farmer.
     
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    I can 1 hit ivy cause my knuckle is elemental fire, but bubble no (maybe the earth bubble, but never tested it)
     
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    Element for sure, but tonfa is good for neutral mobs
     
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    I see, bubble is most likely going to be the prime summer shell farming spot later, so being able to 1 hit those ghosts is important.
     
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    The frog at south sewer is a ss spot too and this one I can 1hko without even using elemental advantage
     
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    Knuckles also put another evasion boost on top of MD, so you can have flashblast on and spam evasion while prorating magic. :eek:
    You can also fast self heal from breathworks and earthbind AoE.

    I don't see why this is even legal...
     
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    Is Finpen also good? you can farm quest item too
     
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    Blizzard/storm+flash blast really is a thing
    Yes
     
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    Resetting my LUK char for Knuck MD, its like upgraded main md version with no minus lol. Im getting 4.8k matk from annihilator+cat, 5k+ with brave, and with 10 sec bufffrom my pet i can get 5.2k+. i think i can put more if im pierce my red tonfa, but focusing on main at the moment.
     
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    Why use storm if you can use tempest?
     
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    tempest only for sword, while storm available for any weapon.
     
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    How about turning this Knux/MD farmer into a mage for bosses? All stats from LUK into STR and use Imperial Ray? No idea if this would require Mdef Pierce or how much. As for weapon, Master's Tonfas would work perfectly with Imperial Ray mechanics. What do you guys think? 1 main weapon and just switching MD for Ether Flare to pass element into Imperial Ray.
     
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    No.
    There is no merit whatsoever to using imperial ray.... or any cat skill besides blizzard tbh.

    Imperial Ray Damage is simply too low to be considered when you can simply just use finale. Maybe at higher levels when cast speed and motion speed goes up significantly then yes, but at 1k? Nah.
     
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    Depends of what you're trying to achieve, if it's a fun build or a build which shares equipament with your knuckle chars, ig it's ok.
    But if you gonna build it from scratch, I'd would suggest you rather use a staff statted imcd10cd20, because staff still has highest matk among magic weapons and also enjoys from stronger skills on magic tree. This way you may still use staff-md for flare ether/element slash for procing imperial ray.
     
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    I was thinking that GSW and High Cycle would be enough tbh.

    I saw Knux with magic stuff statted on it on CB, started fantasizing about it and ended up here tbh. I really like unconventional builds. I was really surprised that Knux/MD can get such high MATK, especially when compared to 1H/MD and Bowgun/MD.
     
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    It should be if speed is what you're looking for.

    Knux/MD MATK growth from INT is insane. The stupidly large AoE on finale due to sub MD allows you to hit slow/normal moving bosses.

    What do you want the cspd for? Magic Burst?
     

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