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March 10 Update, Cant Login, Force Closing, Unauthorized Apps Detected Making Game Close

Discussion in 'Toram Online In Game Issues / Device Support' started by Cypherian, Mar 10, 2016.

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  1. Erased

    Erased Well-Known Member

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    That sounds awesome. :D
     
  2. Volmen

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    Ya technically this game is only 8 months old since its release in July 2015! Alpha and beta stages don't really count tbh towards its age! So a lot of stuff hasn't been added yet.
     
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    Honestly, I don't mind people using bots in this game.
    1. It not PvP so botting won't make them OP and be the top dogs in the arena.....there is no arena.
    2. Botting to farm mats means they don't really care as much about the price when they sell the stuff. Yes, they want to make tons of money, but they don't think twice about undercutting the average market price to make that money and go back to farming. This is actually really useful as it forces those "99mmh @60k" to suck it and keep their greedy little pockets empty, until they stop trolling and lower their price, like good boys and girls should. Same goes for those "roga 1.5m". If enough botters are smart enough to know how to mirco the crap out of 4 devices botting in a boss party at once; they farm and sell cheaper (Eventually). So bots=lower market prices. Win/win for me.
    3. This game is a grind. Not everybody (including myself) can sit around and xp grind for hours on end. So abs caters to the young adults and 20-somethings without kids and unmarried and not working 40+ hours a week. That's a little unfair to us older people (like myself) with 4 kids, a full time job, and a wife. So if you want to enjoy the game like the younger people and you want to bot to get up to a decent lvl; knock yourself out. Personally, I have so little time, I can't even bother setting up a bot!

    So frankly, looking down on botters is more a matter of trite arrogance than of ethical superiority. Its not like botters affect your ability to get drops or anything.

    So good for them for working the system.
    And thx for screwing merchant trolls out of cash by making the same stuff available for cheaper.
     
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    Lol I have 2 kids and work over 70hrs a week and I don't seem to have an issue keeping up :3

    I work 14hr days 6 days a week, but it can be a hassle sometimes! But cheating is still cheating at least to me lol!

    Ya this game is geared for kids and young adults without much responsibility
     
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    You raised interesting (and good) points. While i don't necessarily agree with you, i understand where you're coming from. And i can certainly respect that.

    The main reason i'm against bots and any other forms of hacks or work-arounds is that, at its core, it's cheating. I mean, i'm rooted. I can bot anytime i want to (specially now that i know it's possible - i just didn't care to find out if i could do it), but i don't.

    So to answer your post..
    1. I'm still hoping pvp and gvg is included in future updates. Maybe it's next to impossible, but hey it doesn't cost me anything to hope.
    2. Sure, they'd not care about prices as mich as the other people who grind and overprice. Buy you said it yourself - they're greedy. Just because they didn't put in as much effort as those other guys doesn't mean they'd sell cheap. Some do. Some don't. The way to really stop overpricing is to stop buying overpriced items. Cliche, but true. For example, but in the opposite sense - i farm and grind and put in the effort. I try not to overprice. I honestly try to sell below the normal price as long as i don't take that big of a hit. I'm not trying to sound like an angel, but that's how i play mmorpg's. Fortunately i've been decently successful.
    3. This is the hard part. Personally, i stop gaming when i'm too busy with rl. But i can certainly understand that people need to unwind. and mobile/pc/console game imo are some of the better ways to pass the time. Im not married and i don't have kids, so i am not going to try and argue this point. Lol.

    Btw, i'm not arguing. Lol. I just wanted to share my side. Looks like we're looking at it from different perspectives. :)
     
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    Lol yep I agree! Cheating is cheating no matter the outcome or whatever reason u try to justify it.
     
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    This thread surely took an interesting turn. I'll stop now. :D:p
     
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    Lol

    But what most likely happened with this update is they updated their anti hack software that recognized a new resource file that bots use! Bots tend to use bits and pieces of other rooted programs to try and hide as if they were a different program!

    It's the risk of having a rooted phone or using apps that root certain parts of ur phones software! Also getting that msg dosnt mean u bot just theirs a file they recognized on ur phone that a booter uses.
     
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    This, botters only make overpriced items more overpriced, the only stuff that would become cheaper is in-game currency's value.
     
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    So, if this is a game engine update issue, then I suppose botters will still be able to do their thing once they figure out a workaround. :v

    So much for botters getting licked then. There's a difference between targeted disabling and making 3rd party apps outdated. =.=
     
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    I have seen prices go both ways.

    And thus far, in this game, I noticed the undercutting. So I'm happy with the way things are going.

    That being said, things may make a turn for the worse.

    @Volmen
    Things are never black & white. There is always a gray area in everything.

    Like for instance if I used a bot to lvl my test chars for the crit study. Tested and then deleted them after I get the results.

    That's not cheating. In fact, for the most part it generally just sandboxing, since all I do is kill lvl1 raffies in rakau, log my data and test something else. The items are worthless, the mats are nearly as worthless, selling to sololo is a waste of time and slows it all down, and I don't need the 3k spina anyways.

    So is that cheating? No. It would save time and let me do what I like to do faster, which is figure out the hidden aspects of the game. In this case botting to lvl a disposable char affects nothing and speeds up the process. Not cheating.
     
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    Ugh, my phone is fully rooted, yet I never use botting applications. But I get the jizz, it's supposed to remove any suspicious app.
     
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  13. Mugami

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    Welp, according to the "freethinkers" in the world:
    You must be doing something illegal.

    Lol that black & white.

    It's like killing someone who's strangling your kid to death and the troll walks over and says "killing is wrong".

    Ummmmmm no. They deserved every bit of it.
     
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    Alright, Freedom (in-app purchase hack) is detected (im sorry i dont hack no ban plox), deleted it and it's working perfectly again. You do not need to unroot everyone.
     
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    @Mugami
    Sorry but the case you mention arent the norm.
    This is more common
    Botter: lol I'm getting lots of Spina.
    lol I'm gonna sell them for real money.
    Botter, one who buy from botter: lol I'm going to buy everything overpriced because I dont bother care.
    Overpriced Sellers: lol I'm going to sell it more overpriced.
    Newbie, casual player: **** quest money and selling trash for days wont even earn me enough Spina for anything. F@@@ game F@@@@.
     
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  16. Mugami

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    Lol. Very true.
    I'm not saying it doesn't happen.
    Just that it hasn't yet become a problem.
     
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    Well, as mentioned before, rooting isn't illegal. In fact, devices sold by Google (Nexus line) often get tech support even if it is supposed to void your warranty.

    Also, deciding whether one should root or not is a personal decison. I am a big fan of root myself and the things it allows me to do (back up data from apps with no cloud save, make your phone an almost automated device, etc). However, I can see why someone would not root (too risky or no need for such features). It's basically like choosing your own clothes: everyone has his own style, and as long as someone finds something that suits him, we can't judge. So, if you can live rootless, good for you; just enjoy your phone the way you want to :)

    However, if Asobimo decides to ban root users, this will cause a huge backlash from the community. Again with my example, it's like someone telling you exactly which clothes you should wear without you asking for assistance. Root users are only 30%, yes, but they're quite noisy compared to the 70%.

    Sorry for the long post.
     
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  18. Cypherian

    Cypherian Dual Doggo! Bork bork! Super Likable Elite Member

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    There are two types of root.
    Hard Root in which the phone's system has been modified internally, in which the OS has been tampered with. Allowing the device to do functions it wasnt meant to do in the first place. Granting the user Root/Dev Permissions to use apps that utilize/exploit the hardware like touch screen, camera, speakers, mics, etc.
    Soft Root is using an app to get Root Permission so that certain apps that require root permissions may work.

    As I said before. The game wont ban out all rooted devices. Hard Rooted devices may still work because the game may have been installed on the device after the device.was rooted. Only Soft Rooted devices may cease to run the game because the game.detects apps like KingRoot, KingUser, etc. Which gives the user the freedom to give root permission to any app the user has installed on the device, which he was not able to do before without the help of these Rooting apps.
     
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    All rooted phone work, superuser or kinguser.
     
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    Correct as stated it's how I record videos for YouTube kingo root ftw lol
     
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