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Overpriced Gem runs???

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by RawrKyle, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. RawrKyle

    RawrKyle Active Member

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    Hey so this is going to be a short rant but something maybe others can share their experience about xD

    I noticed recently that gen runs (Super/Legend/Glory/Ultimate) have appeared on the buy/Sell section like always but with one difference.. They're being sold off in "Bid wars". Basically the highest offer or offers win for a spot on the team.

    Before these so called bid wars really picked up lately. Ultimate gem runs which are 100% guarantee for all drops used to sell for anything from 2.2m-2.6m.. which is a fair price as you profit from it a little.

    However recently.. people have been bidding 3m up to 3.6m... it makes no sense and no profit even with xtal and all dyes.

    Legend gems have been going for 1.1m-2m.. used to be 750k.

    Glory gems anything from 1.6m-2.5m

    Even super rare which used to be around 400-500k are now 600-900k.

    I understand with the anniversary event there was non stop gem packs to buy but even so, prices seem so high now.

    Only explanation I can think of is that people either have alts on the forums or friends/guildies planning together to raise the bid prices to pressure people in to buying for way higher than they're worth.

    Hopefully they'll become stable again and that's my rant over xD

    Comment your experiences either with the prices or even the attitude of some sellers which ive also noticed hasn't been nice in some cases. (Luckily there are still a few nice sellers out there)
     
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  2. Azin.

    Azin. Brawler Enthusiast Elite Member

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    nahhh im a seller as well and yeah i sell my run depending on what they offer :).. we seller didnt raise the price.. the buyers did :).. if u didnt get the slot then better luck next time :).. no need to runt ;)
     
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  3. RawrKyle

    RawrKyle Active Member

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    It's not really aimed at the sellers I imagine you're happy with the spina you get lol but I'm just saying some bids are stupidly high and silly.

    I myself have bought multiple gem runs recently so it doesn't bother me either way :p I just don't do it for prices where buyers wouldn't profit lol. Of course sellers won't care if it's stupid high they make more spina
     
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    Azin. Brawler Enthusiast Elite Member

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    yeah but didnt u just targeted the seller? "
    "Only explanation I can think of is that people either have alts on the forums or friends/guildies planning together to raise the bid prices to pressure people in to buying for way higher than they're worth. " :)
     
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    Haha ive even gone as far as to halt production on my "easy alternatives" video to make a video on this...
     
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    Neric of House Limitless, First of His Name, The Unburnt Elite Member

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    3m run ..go to cb buy ur xtal
     
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    Buyers and sellers alike. I'm not saying all sellers do that lol I'm giving an opinion on why people would buy a gem run that is over priced for no reason.

    Take a ultimate gem run.

    Person 1 buys/bids 3.5m

    Boss chosen is iconos.

    Guaranteed xtal = 2.7-2.8m

    All 3-4 dyes sell for 100k-200k each.

    Total made is about 3.1m-3.6m

    That's either a 400k loss to a 100k profit.

    Forgetting that you're a seller for a minute lol think of yourself as a buyer. Does that really make any sense to you? XD
     
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    ibsio Well-Known Member

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    It sounds like rich people just want to have fun. Gems affect damage input and output by a detrimental percentage so I would imagine that it'd be fun. I wouldn't buy a gem run but if I did, it for the entertainment factor more than anything else. That, or they have a severe deficiency in basic math.
     
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    thats what they want then im in im the one who getting the cash XD more profit much better :)
     
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    I wouldn't say I'm super rich but I can afford gem runs and although it is fun with the more challenging factors id still want to profit from it :p if I wanted real fun I'd try ultimate difficulty on an ultimate gem haha xD not seen anyone want to do that though :(
     
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    Nightmare/ultimate mode ult gem run 100% 2-3m+
    Xtal3m armor/hat/weapon200k-1m+ apps(if looks nice and new boss drop) drop 4 weapon dyes200k-1m+(depend on dye)100% drop. Profit
    Glory gem run 75% less debuff then other gems. 1m+ (Gamble) get xtal Profit
    Legend gem run 50% 1m+(Gamble) get xtal Profit
    Srdg 25% 300k-600k+(Gamble) get xtal Profit
    Rng gem lose or profit.
     
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    Tbh i think xtals are the most nicest stuffs to invest your spina with and can be use for years on your build as you update you weapons and gears so i dont complain if gemrun holders ask for a bit more even if i cant afford it because im always broke TT. Same goes for extract xtals, i think its pretty cheap for 250-300k. Your weaps, custom stats, armors can be outdated fast and can depreciate in half.
     
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    I agree that extracts are pretty cheap and that xtals are a good investment because they are less oftenly being replaced. Warmonger, Ganglef, etc, are still doing well, enhancer crystas was only recently added and still the originals are needed. Plus asobimo keeps coming out with useless troll xtals -_-
     
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    but that doesnt really change that many people can only maybe afford a gem run, though a risk, they at least have a chance of getting the xtal. what good is a gem run if it costs barely less than the damn xtal lol
     
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    thats all depends on the player tbh.. i managed to buy my pg before with bnut farming.. got my xtals for buy and selling stuff.. use a ultra cheap alternative 2s armor..
    if u got no money be smart! XD
     
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    Yeah RNG plays a lot in to the lower gems like srd/legend. I'd be less worried about those. At best I'd go 1.1m but seeing these 1.5..1.6m bids for a 50% run that used to cost 750k just seems silly. The profit margin is less for sure but for the higher gem runs like a glory or ulti. These bid wars are really making it harder for the less fortunate that may have been able to afford them when they were lower, are now unable to obtain any of these slots for sale. Again it's completely the choice of the bidders/buyers of course, just seems bizarre to me that some would settle for a 100-200k profit at best
     
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    the profit really depends on the boss.. for my gem ill used it on iconos.. 50% rare drop a true gamble.. but thats how this business work.. if u dont like to gamble go stick to ulti gem run that cost alot than other gem runs
     
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    Huh what are you talking about??? That had nothing to do with my comment... Anyways if you can afford a 500k-3m gem run then you sure as hell can earn a bit more to buy the actual xtal itself. If it was soooo hard to earn that spina in the first place and it is all you have, then why gamble? Also.. if you are poor and cannot afford much, then you probably have bad gear, therefore bad damage (though there may be certain exception, point is damage won't be optimal.) Personally I do not recommend gem runs for people who can barely beat the boss without the gems (as the gems have consequences on player and boss's damage) so with the gems it would just be death run.
     
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    Please tell me which weapons and armour are up to 1m profit on the ulti gem lol the only decent apps are tapir app for 250k. Dyes at the moment are barely 100k. Any other app is around 100k for anything. So at best it's xtal 3m tyrant. Tentacle roar app is going for 100k so that's 3.1m plus dyes 100k ea x3-4 that's 3.5m at best. Ulti gem 3m minimum would be 500k. But like I said some are even bidding 3.5m which would be 0 profit xD

    For legend gems if you had luck on getting the xtal you'd make a nice profit I agree but again some are bidding anything up to 1.6m. Not saying all are bidding high amounts but some are pretty crazy and I'm sure others can agree that it's getting silly for some xD there's still some reasonable prices runs though
     

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