The Assassin Berserker 2hand & 1hand rampage builds

Too bad war cry itself needs motion speed buff, otherwise you spend too much time crying

 

So true. But there's too many ways for us to use War Cry in a combo. Like using it with @Toramwasmyidea 's first combo then the 2nd combo which utilizes trigger (if by any chance it stacks).

 

Giffy- what about this combo
C1-- HARD HIT- TRIGGER(SAVE)-WARCRY use first of course. Trigger gives wcry motion buff.
C2-- ASTUTE-SNEAK(SAVE)-IMPACT(CONS)-RAMPAGE (SMITE)-HARD HIT.
Will war cry motion buff last for rampage?

 

XD yeah I wish it was insta cast

 

If the formula is to be believed and aggro is calculated ate beginning of the combo the then Astute<Hard Hit(Consec)<Rage Blade(Consec)<Rampage(Smite) should deal 1900 aggro and 2603 aggro if i have knight Talisman and Marble Shield. A way to test this is see if u can keep aggro with this combo:
Astute<rampage(Smite)<Rage Blade(Smite) and only hav a mp pool of 599 or less so only astute procs

 

That is actually a brilliant idea! although I can't test it T.T. I have a free slot tho want me to test tonight?

 

Yeah crit rate gear and crit up is must for this build, but have to balance it with -aggro gears to.

 

You can try that, yes. But then again, we don't know which gives better motion speed (trigger or warcry).

 

No, you have the calculations wrong. I will put all calculations for each skill down.
*all max lv and using 2h
Astute = (200 + [10 * 20]) - 45% = 220
Sneak = (400 - [10 * 100]) - 45% = -870
Hard Hit = (100 + [10 * 20]) - 45% = 165
Trigger = (200 + [10 * 20]) - 45% = 220
Rampage = (500 + [10 * 20]) - 45% = 385
Impact = 200 - 45% = 110

Total aggro = 230

 

Aggro is generated per skill. If you're referring to why that person kept getting aggro when he used rampage, there is a simple reason - he created far too much aggro with his skills.

Here's the breakdown:

Using Rampage, at lv10 with no aggro gear, causes 700 aggro. This is one of the highest aggro causing skills, tied with dust shot, and losing only to provoke.
After he gained aggro, he gets the bonus aggro from when a person takes aggro from another, which is another 200 points.
So, in total, he has gained 900 aggro points with one move, and that is not even taking into account the other skills he probably used in his combo.

As for your combo of Astute > hard hit > rage blade > rampage, assuming you're using a 1h weapon, you'll create 1700 aggro. With Knight Talisman(25% aggro) and Marble Shield(12% aggro), you'll do a total of 2329 aggro.

 

If aggro is generated per skill, then I don't understand why I get aggro as soon as I start the combo, not when I get to Rampage.

Or maybe my memory is playing tricks on me again -.-

 

In that combo I hav no intentions of actually using the skill, Rampage sucks. Heard that rage blade is equal to using a 400mp skill at lvl 10 so wouldnt aggro be 1200 if Rampage dosnt proc

 

Have you considered the previous aggro you gained from the previous combo usage? It's not as if aggro goes away once you've completed a combo, it'll stay there and just keep adding up.

It's very likely that you're gaining aggro at an exponential rate with just 1 combo usage, and the following combo starting skill is what is pushing it over the edge. You also have to consider that there are not a lot of builds (excluding tank combos) that can out aggro a combo using rampage, even with sneak.

Mage and knuckle skills don't create nearly as much aggro compared to sword or shot skills, because their aggro formula is based on just mp consumption. Also, shot skill's aggro can be negated through sneak's secondary effect, and even snipe spam users probably wouldn't out aggro you, because their main aggro-inducing skills are moeba shot (120, since most leave it at lv1) and snipe (600, at max lv). If I had to think fast of what type of dps build could out aggro you on the fly, it'd be a 1h fu, or some variation of that.

 

No, Rage Blade is the equivalent of gaining 400 aggro points, not costing 400 mp. It follows the formula of (mp consumption + (skill LV x 20)).

 

I've gone and calculated all the aggro you'd create with each of your combos listed in page 1, just so you can reference them.

*all skills are level 10
*all skills use a 2h
*no (+/-)aggro % gear is used

Asute-sneak(save)-impact(consec)-rampage(swift)- hard hit(swift). 2mp cost combo
* creates 1000 aggro per combo use

Astute- sneak(save)-rampage(smite)-Impact(consec). 3mp 1st time becomes 2mp after
* creates 700 aggro per combo use

Astute- sneak(save)-hard hit(cons)-trigger(cons)-rampage(smite)-Impact(cons).
3mp then becomes 2mp.
* creates 1400 aggro per combo use

 

Wht is the point of using rage blade if it has the same aggro value as any 200mp skill???

 

Oh my bad, I calculated all values -45% then -1000 which was incorrect yeah ty! Also my calculations had trigger lvl 5 an hh lvl5, but that 230 agro output is awesome!
I actually can see this combo has being spammable dps now!

 

Dude this a rampage threadXD. It don't suck to much lol

 

Perhaps it was Ur party setup, like mine at roga was also terrible. Causes you to get aggro quicker