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New Guard system infos

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Yunan, Apr 16, 2020.

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  1. kagezumi_Crown

    kagezumi_Crown Well-Known Member

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    im not sure about the auto evade but for auto guard, it will activate and reduce your damage based on your guard power(or charge in this case) to minimum 1 dmg when receiving enough damage at one time(like the fractional atk from slayer cherrymoth). but of course since you set it to auto it wouldnt show amount of guard charge that you have currently unless you change it in the settings(who would do that in middle of battle!) so the auto guard mode can be used as a last resort to save you if u were supposed to get killed. however since there is an update on bug issues stating that the damage reduction from guard should be based on your current guard charge, we cant just have high guard recovery and only 20 guard charge to negate every huge fractional atks to 1 in the future
     
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    Guard can block fatal damage?
     
  3. 《《MiLo》》

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    Fatal attacks are fractional attacks that kills you. So yes

    Edit: it won't save you from gespenst 2
     
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    Only DW survive gespenst 2.
     
  5. UfuLamb

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    light armor 2hs with auto guard is so stronk

    Evading when necessary and shrugs non-deadly dmg
     
  6. Mari Bersolawat

    Mari Bersolawat Well-Known Member

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    What different use Skill Guard Level 3
    And not use this skill ?
     
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    I tried guard with level 10 tier 3 passive. I did not receive ailment like burn from mardula minion at seele earlier. The freeze one is an exception of course since it is a spike. I did not equip ailment equipment btw and just 5% ail resist from ava.

    Was using STR>VIT semi tank.
     
  8. PutuKarma

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    Then tell me, does iconos have any spike attack pattern or meteor (except for the blue AoE meteor because i kept evading it to make sure it won't hinder my test)? Does ifrid laser (the one that giving ignite) is considered as meteor or spike? Because I'm sure my ailment resist already past 100% and I've learned Physical Guard till lv10 (I've changed my TEC tank just to test it and using my not completed mtl tank gear set that already giving 100%+ ailment resist)

    All i can see is that the patch notes about guard is completely bs given the current implementation (might be just a bug but they seems not noticed it as one) and you might just use it while clearing the run and not thoroughly test the ailment resist so you didnt see the ailment penetrating the resistance
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    And maybe i could say about my experience about how the ailment penetrating the resistance when doing guard. It seems that there're some inconsistencies about how the ailment received. At first the ailment only come once in a while, but after another test the ailment starting to penetrate inconsistent, sometimes it's coming as if the ailment resistance is as good as zero (that time i received stun, tumble and flinch combo consecutively), and while still in the same run the ailment happen to only come once in a decent timespan
     
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    Mari Bersolawat Well-Known Member

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    Oh,if Mirage evasion ?
     
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    pretty sure mirage evasion is all about how you can evade mid-cast every some seconds cooldown
     
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    So, here's the proof that the ailment resistances when guarding somehow inconsistent.
    After watching the video i'm assuming that ailment resistance cap got decreased when the guard counts reached a certain number and after that point the ailment penetrate almost like the resistance is less than 50%.

    edit: lol, forgot to say to skip to 4:10 or so to see ailments starting to be inflicted since I didn't edit the video
     
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    I can smell nerf on damage received lmao
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    I can smell nerf on guard from this maintenance.

    Edit: Sorry, internet sucks right now. I thought my previous comment was not posted.
     
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    I have a mtl mage with 100% ailment resistance plus level 10 all guard skill, when i have manual guard on I get freeze ailment when casting finale and finpen attack at spring of rebirth... but when i put it auto guard on I have no freeze ailment when casting finale and finpen do its attack... I do these two test with staff, a shield and heavy armor... but when I switch to test with md and normal armor ... the 100% ailment resistance work fine...
     
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    you gotta see my video and my assumption about it. I don't know in your case what actually happened but this is my assumption in my case
    Well that video is before today update so there might be something changed. But if there's nothing much changed then there might be a bug in guard system regarding ailment resistance (based on your explanation, since your case isn't contradicting my theory and in fact giving a clearer image of what happened with the system)
     
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    And... ur finale wont flinch with 3 mob attack you at the same time if your hp below or equal 90%... additional info: I have 111% ailment resistance with lil empress shield and heavy armor plus shield plus ring with stone merc crystal and level 10 all guard skill. Edit : I tested at wrong mob, mob like controlled fighter and knight still can flinch or knock back you when casting finale...
     
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    I've tested the ailment resist when guarding and increasing ailment resistance wont solve the problem. I've tested it with 130-ish ailment resistance
     
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    bring ur hp down 10% lower than ur max hp with quick aura and see...
     
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    so does it work now with your current hp 90% or lower than your max hp?
     
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    why not use a char that has no MTL stat and ava ailment stat? I tried Ifrid btw with no ailment resistance stats. I used guard and I don't get knockback, ignite, bleed from its attacks. Having ailment resistance might have complicate the tier 3 guard or something. Even that laser did not cause ignite when I guard, also from its bullet attack.

    Tier 3 guard might give ail resistance 100% at level 10. have to tey doing it with 2 hand if it will get ailments
     

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