¿CDM formula error or too inattentive Niflheim?

my friends, and again I go to you with my grief in the knowledge of this mechanics...

Everyone remembers that here (on the forum) there was a full DPS guide about Toram Online?)

so, in a popular article about ailment in amino I present it to you:

Cdm = 100 + ( cdm(full probably) - 100/2) [cdm base = 150]

this formula was introduced by our Niflheim, whose correctness I highly doubt.

In the full guide, the following is indicated:

Cdm = 100 +(cdm(full))/100
Full damage with weaken :
Full Dmg(step 4) = total damage (step 3) × cdm with weakness / 100 - applicable only in case of Crit.
I hope for your experience, please explain to me who is right?

and more ... May be inflict attributed to ailments? These are obviously different things!
also knockback is not ailment, from the word completely.
maybe I’m not quite expressing myself correctly, but it should reach you!)
Oh, yes, I forgot to mention that by inflict I mean: stan, tumble, flinch.

 

https://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/weakness-spell-burst-and-finale.50910/#post-521884
Check this info. I wrote all about ailments, but it was all info from Ayam Post that was erased.

Ayam said that all are ailment for more simple context.

 

Upon weaken, crit for magic skills is half of total crit rate and crit damage is 100+(CDMG-100)/2, not 100+(CDMG-100/2).
Crit damage for magic skills only happens to be full if you have both weaken and spell burst.

 

Suppose, but where do you get this information? How to confirm?

 

I can say that Ayam wrong.
That's why:

explain accessible to all
how immobilization (inflict) differs from and ailment:

1) His cooldown depends not only on the features of the boss, but also on his complexity.
*Moreover, the complexity increases the cooldown for a fixed time.
2) They all have one single goal - to interrupt the boss.
3) no ailm triggers the boss, and for the inflits, they are often hated
4) vaccine and recovery do not save from an inflict.

By the way, I note that suction* is not ailm.

 

Notes on spell burst
Notes on weaken

To test it:
- Choose a low proration rate (ornlarf, zolban, etc.) or no magic proration boss (only recall mozto, iconos won't work).
- Get an elemental weapon (with weakness of chosen boss) with 80% or more stability in order to cap magic stability.
- Do few magic attacks on chosen boss.
- Divide the average of critical hits by average of non-critical hits. The result will be the multiplicator for critical damage.

 

If you talk about the post of ailment from amino Toram Online in english, all info is wrong.

Check the info about ailments in Toram Online en Español where all post from ayam was translated in spanish for me.

 

Hi, you can heal stun usin vacine. 100%sure cause i did a tons of times, is not stun a interrupt?''inmovilization'' inflict...btw ailments triggers the boss too, you did not fight hero potum? He is very famous cause after inflict fear ailment in him...omg boy he get crazy better you not a chariot spamer or will never get pt there , well thats just a very popular example but i guess anybody know heropotum and fight against him a tons of times trying to get hero sword,satan armor,helm,xtal and the buffs

 

The english Toram Aminos have inaccurate info in my experience in looking up the guides in them. One amino ailment guide has Dazzle and Daze switched and one other amino has a damage guide that looks like a translation of a japanese guide from a fansite. There's not enough consistency in them to consider them as solid guides to follow if you asked me. I will just read thru them all as references but not provide them to others as guides to follow.

 

You know, it's been so long since the last time CDM being explained from someone who checked the game code, so no one can say the information we have in the forum or internet will stay the same. We never know when suzuki will do a ninja nerf, so you can say this information is wrong or not for the present, but you can't say the same if we're talking about the past, since at that time i'm pretty sure there're people that tested it themself and not just the data sharer.

Sorry I have to rant here because your way to convey things and the use of of emoticon make me think the data sharer is wrong from the start

 

well yes, but actually no.
there are quite a few people using unscientific methods or if they use appropriate methods they do it under inappropriate conditions.

the most simple example for this is a coin flip. neglecting the insignificant chance of the coin standing on the side, it will land either heads or tails.
now you throw the coin 10 times and it lands on heads 7 times.
will you assume that this coin (or even all coins) have a 70% chance to land on heads?
probably no, but some people do. that's how many guides, especially on amino, produce wrong information from the very start.


regarding magic critical, the formulas are still the same as when they were datamined.
the only thing that changed are the conditions.
magic critical hits are no longer dependent on elements.
only Element Slash depends on the element advatange, multiplying the chance to inflict Weaken by 10.

Vaccine does NOT cure Stun and neither does Recovery.

 

Well, sorry for not specify things. The one i'm only recognize as data sharer here is always the one with scientific method. Forgot there're people that test thing with such simple way

 

Yes, you are right about the data distributor. I talked with one very experienced dotaminer which proved to me on the fingers that Niflheim is wrong, but in order to confirm my opinion, I turned to you.

 

See the answer from more experienced players.down below

 

Share the link please)) thanks in advance.

 

Thank you for your advice.
You know, what I noticed is that with the wrong formula, the resulting CDM of 125% is correct.