A new skill tree for Knuckles

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This post is a fun dabble at what Knuckles would be like from my perspective. I do not intend to correct the current skill trees of Toram, nor it is my wish for these to be sent to Asobimo Inc.

Hello fellow players! I thought that Knuckles has two skill trees and both are mostly incompetent, and therefore underused in the current meta. I thought what a reworked skill tree for Knuckles might be, that puts them on par with the current powerful mechanics of bosses and the meta.

The following skill tree fuses the skill trees of Crusher and Martial, cuts off unnecessary skills and makes existing skills better suited to the current atmosphere.

Look at this image for the design and placement of all skills.
https://imgur.com/a/koWnCST


0) Smash : No change, it is fine as it is, gives a good 100% Flinch rate.
A1)Bash : Bash and Forefist Punch are now fused into one, keeping the same MP cost and damage scaling as Bash. Bash still has slow Animation time, but it is useful now, since it is now an i-frame. At level 10 always lands a critical hit.
A2)Earthbind : First major change, as follows:

Spoiler: Info

MP Cost: 100
Damage Type: Physical
Base Skill Multiplier: 0.25 x Skill Level
Base Skill Constant: 50 + 5 x Skill Level
Hit Count: 1 hit
Maximum Cast Range: Same as before
Hit Range: (1 + 0.1 x Skill Level) m
Skill Effect: For each target hit with this skill, you recover 5% of the total damage dealt (over all targets); you cannot recover more than 1000 HP that way. Also regenerates 15 MP per target hit.
Ailment: Same
Knuckle Main/Sub bonus: Skill Multiplier +(0.25 + total AGI/500)
Knuckle Main/Sub bonus: Skill Constant + 50
Knuckle Main/Sub bonus: Hit Range +1.5m
Knuckle Main/Sub bonus: HP Recovery limit +500 HP
Knuckle Main/Sub bonus: Stop chance +50%

A3) Breathworks:

Spoiler: Now has an indicator for the cooldown.

Heals (1.5 x Skill level)%HP itself and following skill heals
(30xSkill level) HP.
Heals (2.5 x Skill level)%HP + 60 x Skill level HP if {Spoiler} is at level 10.
Halves cost of next skill if {Spoiler} is at level 10.

A4) GodHand :

Spoiler: Info

Weapons required: Knuckle (Main)
MP Cost: 400/600 ??
Damage Type: Defensive skill
Maximum Cast Range: Similar to Impact
Skill Effect: GodHand no longer does any damage, but instead caps all damage (including fractional) taken to 10% of your HP for 10 stacks. Increases damage of next damaging skill by (Skill constant + 2.5x stack).

Spoiler: Working :

Damage received : Damage calculated just after checking for miss/evade
int stack = 10;
If (damage received < 10% of MaxHP)
{
MaxHP = MaxHP – damage received;
Stack = Stack -1;
}
Else
{
MaxHP = MaxHP – (10% of MaxHP);
Stack = Stack -1;
}

[So, the Top row is now dedicated to survivability and defenses. I removed Shell Break and Heavy Smash, they’re useless. Chariot – eh, we aren’t a ranged class.]

B1) Sonic Wave: Mostly same, Maximum cast range = (2 x Skill Level)m
B2) Backflip:

Spoiler

MP Cost: 200
Damage Type: Physical
Base Skill Multiplier: 0.5 x Skill Level
Base Skill Constant: 100 + 10 x Skill Level
Hit Count: 1 hit
Hit Range: 1 m
Skill Effect: Backflip and attack the enemy.
Ailment: Knockback, Chance = (2.5 x Skill Level)%
Knuckle Main/Sub bonus: Skill Multiplier + (AGI/125)
Knuckle Main/Sub bonus: Skill Constant + AGI
Knuckle Main/Sub bonus: Hit Range +1m
Knuckle Main/Sub bonus: Knockback chance +25+(AGI/50)%

B3) Phoenix Kick:

Spoiler

MP Cost: 300
Damage Type: Physical
Skill Effect: If directional keys are not pulled, performs 3 kicks in quick succession. If directional keys are pulled, spins to the side and deals only the last hit, with extra critical damage, now doesn’t always land a critical. When floating in the air, evasion is available to cancel attack and yeet yourself in that direction.
Base Skill Multiplier: (position of kick(1,2,3))
Base Skill Constant: 100
Hit Count: 3 hit /1 hit when spinning/0 hits if evaded
Hit Range: 8m
Critical Rate = -50% for spinning kick
Extra Critical Damage = Crtdmg x 2.5
Knuckle Main/Sub bonus: Skill Constant +AGI
Knuckle Main/Sub bonus: Extra Crtical Damage x (AGI/50)

B4) Goliath Punch: The same, except heals MP = (damage dealt)/5000
when critical.(Not graze)
[That sums up the top two rows of skills. Now for the passive skills]

C0) Martial Discipline : Because discipline should come before mastery.
Skill Effect: Increases weaponATK of knuckles by 3% per level. Increases Accuracy by 20*Skill level.
C1) Martial Mastery:
Skill Effect: Doubles ASPD gain of Knuckles from AGI. Increases overall pierce by 3% per level.

[Much better ASPD gain now. 1AGI = 9.2ASPD]

S) Slide : The same, except now increases Accuracy by (50*skill level)% for next skill.
[Now let’s see the main focus of Knuckles]

D0) Aggravate: Adds additional attack chance as 5% per skill level. Additional Attack generates normal proration, deals equal damage as Auto attack and also counts for AMPR. Also increase AMPR by 5 per level.
D1) Combination
D2) Phoenix Fury: Adds additional Aggravate attack chance as 5% per skill level. Increase AMPR by 5 per level. Give armor break chance to every normal attack at 1.5% each skill level.
D3) RUSH :

Spoiler

Skill Type: Passive
Skill Effect: If you hit 20 Auto attacks without missing or grazing or taking damage or not waiting 5 sec between consecutive attacks, then you enter RUSH mode. The words show up on screen, and then for 10 seconds you have to hit the action button as fast as you can to hit quickly.
{This is the Spoiler skill mentioned above}
Skill Constant: AGI x 2 x Skill level x 0.1
Skill Multiplier: AGI/50 x Skill level x 0.1
Damage calculation done on each attack.
Each attack here generates AMPR and normal proration.
Disadvantages: Can’t manually evade or Guard, Inflict Fatigue on user for 10 sec after RUSH mode. This is not an i-frame.

[And now, the substitute for Annihilator]
P) Summon Phoenix :

Spoiler

MP Cost: 1000
Skill Type: Self Buffing
Skill Effect: Summon a Phoenix that everyone notices, engulfing you in a fiery rage, giving huge buffs but setting you on fire.
Buffs: ATK, MATK +10*Skill level%
Motion speed capped (5% per level)
Magical and Physical Pierce +5%
Per level
When died, revive instantly, but remaining time of effect halves, add +500 Aggro
Debuffs: Inflicts unremovable Ignite for 3 sec
All ailemts/interrupts unavailable
Aggro unmaskable by Sneak attack
Aggro +25%
Inflict [Fatigue] after effect ends.

I hate image embedding.

 

Goliath Rush that's 4x destruction. ^_^

 

You'll have to time it good tho, not wasting more than 5sec to impact -> Goliath.

(Or should the time be 10 sec?)

 

What make you thought of adding Phoenix instead of the other Mythical Beasts for Brawler Skill Tree?

 

Ye, why not a bull for example? ^_^

 

Final Fantasy VI, most likely.
but Sabin doesn't kill himself with fire. wtf?

 

I was thinking of Dragon Punch and Dragon theme, but Halberd already stole that.
And Bull? A bull isn't agile?
A phoenix for the Fire, mostly, I thought of Ignite debuff before the spirit animal, then renamed Annihilator.
Also Phoenix also gives Magic Vibes, which is also what Knuckles excels at.

 

okay I just wonder, for Brawlers any and all Mythical Beasts can be use as their different martial arts. I actually thought of Buddha for the defensive Skill(s) for Brawler for example.

 

Yep, that's what GodHand is. But Asobimo doesn't want to get religious, so they didn't name it The Hand of the Buddha instead.

 

Well, it's so happen that dw are more agile, so a bull is not mainstream agile.

Just hit em with 4x consecutive goliath punch, that's the goliath rush.

If you're still not satisfied with the damage and skill, you can do gatling goliath / phantom goliath. ^_^

 

For me the current skill set up fo knux aint bad but theres 3 things aso needs to address if they are planning to remake or rebuff knux
#1
Fix the god damn ampr on knux atleast give em x2 ampr like dw since they have 2 knuckles
#2
Give additional aspd boost/buff/passive since knux is a speedy boii
#3
Rework the goddamn atk/stat distribution.

My current knux build is doing fine in the dmg department it. It has no wow op 1 hit dmg but it can do hora hora hora and muda muda muda on the bosses with 50% motion speed and i think aso like that kind of principle on knux TBH

This is just my opinion

 

I think you're all missing the goddam point. I didn't make this post to lament about how Knuckles are or have invited you to lament about them.
The only thing we 'discussed' so far is why I chose Phoenix instead of any other spirit animal.
I haven't seen one comment about my actual skill tree at all. How is it? What do you think about the new skills? Do you think it's balanced or some things need to be changed?
How about the changes to Aggravate?

 

Its pretty good, phoenix kick is a dream come true for Knux users who have been wanting an Iframe for so long.

Question tho, why 10 mins for the ignite debuff and uncancellable too. I can imagine health reaching 1hp in a few seconds, probably for risky gameplay?

Also how about rework chakra, instead of cspd its affected by aspd? It would align the skill to its natural weapon stat distribution, since Knux are AGI-based.

 

Falcooonn puunnchh...

No ?

Ight imma head out

 

The reason I put 10mins for ignite debuff js because the Summon phoenix aslo lasts for 10 min, and you literally are on fire.
Plus, It's 2x your ATK and MATK, and 50% pierce, (with 25% extra from the other skills) and capped motion speed.

If you didn't finish the fight in 1 min with this then you don't deserve to summon thr phoenix.

But I suppose that's a bit too harsh. So I can reduce ignite debuff to 10 sec, but then instead of ATK and MATK +100%, it's only wATK +100%.

 

it still kills you in 1 hit. auto-revita can't keep up with ignite.
also, the phoenix is supposed to be immortal. i find it quite contradictory to kill yourself by using phoenix powers.

 

Wait, if that is the case....hmmmm.....
What if, if you die when Pheonix is summoned, then waiting time to revive is reduced by 75%?
The fact is I wanted to include the 'fire' aspect a bit, and giving an incentive to quickly finish the match will help 'Summon Phoenix' not be OP.

 

What does the Phoenix do, is it like a Decoy but does massive damage per hit? Also wouldn't decoys/famillias/etc. disappear if the caster is dead?

From what I understood in the original post, the Brawler itself gets the Phoenix aspect. If the skill was like that, why not give it a buff that allows it to revive immediately while buff is active?

Let's say the Summon Phoenix gets the buffs and also ignite buff (10 seconds max?) , if the player dies while the buff is active, the brawler instantly revives like the Phoenix rising from the ashes. The brawler restarts with its last mp still intact. And the skill itself has a cooldown of maybe 20-30 seconds(?). Phoenix Rising could be a good name of it, I think?

 

I think a major problem with current knuckle skills is that they were designed heavily around interrupting boss movements. But interrupting boss attacks often ends up making bosses more difficult by not only triggering powerful counterattacks, but also messing with their attack pattern.

I would like to see a new skill come out where brawlers are, at the very least, not punished for interrupting boss attacks.

 

Summon phoenix was supposed to only increase Motion speed and both Kinds of pierce at First, both by 50%, but then I realised that It's ATK is already too low that the extra pierce doesn't help much when the boss has more Health than on easier modes.
Then I added ATK and MATK x 2.
But again, It seemed like lot of a buff, so I added ignite debuff because A phoenix is on fire. But ignite is too harmful, because this effect lasts as long as Annihilator.

But now I think I know what to do. First,
On first cast, it gives a 3 sec ignite, then goes away. Second, if you die, you can revive instantly, but the remaining time of the Pheonix effect halves.
However, since you're exerting yourself, you receive fatigue(5 sec) after the effect is over.
I'll change the original post, so please check it again.