Discussion in 'Toram Online Player Feedback / Review' started by ShiroNai, May 18, 2020.
Expect another BIG rollback event if spam Shouts in Sofya isn't managed soon enough.
Ah... Now I get the big picture. Yes, that can get you banned. And trust me, you wouldn't be the only one experiencing the same. I'm sure almost 97% INT 1 Sofya shout sellers are prepared to get banned, so they usually use alternative disposable account to spam, while their main account standing at the same channel in silent.
WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME THIS IF ITS SO OBVIOUS OMG!!
because we hate shout spammers and don't want to encourage that practice?
for the same reason we don't do RMT or share modded apk files here.
shout spammers in INT1 is obvious! its so obvious if you want to socialise you dont bloody go there, you market! trade!! bloody hell people only spam because the chat is too fast there that the merch just slides right up as soon as you type it in.
and thats not what i meant! if it was obvious getting banned by spamming why didnt i get warned cause of it in my first ban post!!! none nada!
i got banned the first time and nobody even mentioned it was because i was spamming!
i got banned twice because nobody told me! if only i knew omg!!
you know what screw you guys, not those who didnt know why i was banned, but those who did know and decided not to tell me, screw you to hell!
im gonna spread the word around about this so a poor soul like me wont get into the same dilemma, bloody hell..
im not a bad guy, i never knew spamming is a bad thing, i only did what i figured was right, INT1 people spam there in sofya so i did the same!
its not like i spammed outside of INT1 sofya like a maniac.
i get why it is frowned upon but you guys gotta be considerate to people who dont know, to people who arent abusing this at all, just people who think that since other people are doing it then its probably fine to do it, IN THE RIGHT MIND.
if other people robbed a bank i wouldnt do it
but theres no harm in spamming sofya INT 1 when its already hopeless with spams in the get go.
actually it's the other way around
the chat is too fast because people are spamming.
there aren't hundreds of players selling their stuff at the same time. there are ten players occupying the chat on all channels, making it unusable for everyone else.
when too many players get on the same map, another channel opens and new arrivals are directed there.
sellers could go to specific channels, so potential buyers could actually find what they are looking for.
but nooo, they must use the shout chat which screams across all channels...
i really don't know what to say anymore...
just some life advice:
doing drugs is illegal. just because all the cool kids are doing it doesn't mean you should do it, too.
now you know.
well yes shout lets everyone see your merch, did you see ANYONE even outside of INT1 sell in general Chat, no because its inefficient! when you sell you want to get everyones attention not just 5% of the server.
and no i disagree there arent only 10 players, i would know its probably around 20-30 in busy days shouting it up.
haha funny.. sure how about this, if people are selling in the flee market shouting over and over to buy their fish, do it too! and hey if you get arrested for raising your voice too high~ well i guess you went to the wrong market.
thats a lot better metaphor then your drug one, drugs is illegal its obvious any sane person knows this, but SPAMMING is bloody isnt! nobody would know unless they were told or theres a mention of it in the guidelines, THERES NO RULE ABOUT IT IN THE TORAM GUIDELINES! its only labeled under (disturbing/damaging the server) when people read that they would think hacking or using illegal programs.
who the FUCK! would think spamming is part of it!! especially when theres already a spam limit system that blocks you from sending any more text for a period of time! with that added in a sane person would think that toram got things under control with spams but hey guess not~! maybe they should bloody strengthen the anti spam system!! im bloody pissed
and if we are using your drug metaphor, lets say im a moron, a complete idiot, retarded, i go into forums asking how i got arrested, i explain what i did selling uncertain medicine to people in black alleys until a police caught me
well yes that would definitely look like a troll post, but lets say it was genuine because it is really hard to notice spamming as a bannable act, so why...
WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME DRUGS CAN GET ME BANNED THE FIRST TIME! AND LET IT HAPPEN TO ME AGAIN!!!!
Well, if an activity is a reportable offense, it would be on the ToS. Since spamming IS a reportable activity, it should be in the ToS. No one telling people that it was one isn't exactly every knowledgeable persons's fault either.
Also, do consider that not everyone is an active forum member all year long. (for me, the pandemic crisis just gave me more time to browse here, if anything) More importantly, the part of this thread about why your actions led to banning when I learned that this was your second time experiencing it was the only reason I even got to thinking about the whole thing anyway.
Also, people who have not done what you just kept doing as a shout merchant would not know how this kind of operation worked either because they also would not have experienced what you did experience and therefore would not have to think about it. This is my first time seeing footage of how a spammer even do the the spam filter loophole exploit.
its not exactly an exploit i learned online, i simply had big fingers so i downloaded swiftkey to get a bigger keyboard, it just so happened it had a clipboard. coincidence that bit me apparently
toram also suspend my acc for no reason im just Chatting S)ref Service on Int server's chat
The following statements are pure opinion from me, so don't swallow it to your stomach fully.
From the start, Asobimo never take gaijin's report seriously. Then the prejudice escalated even further since the Tuyuls Invasion to Japan Server happened. They became easily get triggered over bot issue now that even normal human chat spam is considered bot spam. During the old days, spamming usually results in penalty lv 1, or at worst, lv 2. If I have to guess, your case didn't have someone reported you, but it was done by machine or program asobimo currently invented to automatically punish bots who likes to spam. And because it is not done by human, the detection is indiscriminate and can go for either bots or human players. So yeah, the penalty for getting caught using third party software like bot is straight to lv 7. And no, asobimo customer service won't bother replying your protest or inquiry because you are gaijin.
That sort of spam is really obnoxious and annoying, even worse than some of the bots i've seen in shout that spam.
You literally spamming the same chats every second and apart from Asobimo picking up on your spam internally and maybe mistaking you as a bot or a threat I imagine you have probably been reported many times too because that level of spam is just unnecessary and makes shout unusable for other people if you are constantly drowning out everyone elses chat with your non-stop spam making people probably annoyed at you and reporting you giving asobimo further purpose to ban you.
But at least now you know and will hopefully learn your lesson, yeah it sucks you had to lose two accounts to evetually find out why.
But I mean that level of spam, not even the bots spam that fast xD
Surely you realise it's too excessive..
And i don't think anyone here deliberately tried to keep you in the dark about spam being worthy of getting a ban, they were probably clueless as much as you were before about why you got banned, but now that you provided that video everyone can see how bad the spam actually is and we can all agree that's why you got banned. So quit blaming others and take some responsibility.
You do know that you can avoid all of these if only you have more patience right?
Usually, I send out 3 shout first at once, then wait for a few minutes before sending another
Until now, I never get banned (although I never sell stuff through shout anymore since dealing with retarded buyers is mentally draining)
This is what I was trying to say. Behave like a normal human would, and you wont get banned.