Again.... knuckles is abismos step child....

Yes this is exactly the problem. You discredit yourself by adding 2 pages of emotional filler on top of your arguments. Either stick to only arguments or continue to partially rant. But then stop being butthurt when that doesn't lead to a proper discussion

 

If you compare the length of the auto attack duration of dw and knuckle and then check the ampr again you will see that knuckles actually have better AMPR overall. 3 knuckle auto attacks with max motion speed take 1.23s while 3 dw auto attacks at max motion speed take 3.11s.

 

Just be patient Knuckle weapon and maybe MD I dont know will be buffed, but it is not a priority right now since majority players do not play knuckle class. They at least have tried once with crusher skill.

 

I agree with this.
At 300 AGI, rush already 15 skill multiplier.
It will get higher as the lv cap increase.
And red steel tonfa also easy to get. I get mine on 4th try opening red steel box.
And merc with skill?
Agi > dex knuckle will be one of good option. High ampr, and warcry /combination spammer.
You can also throw dagger/shield at it
Rather than spending 400 mp with impact>rush. It's better to spend 200mp to do normal rush

 

If you don't like 200 mp rush
Impact > rush (smite) > combination (smite/swift) > breathwork (con)
300 mp 150% rush.

If you don't like Goliath combo.
Goliath charge > impact (save) > rush (smite) > breathwork (con)
Longer combo but with 90% rush

Slide > combination (smite) > impact (con)
Faster half mp buff

Ice cape + critical dagger is a good option with this combo.

 

This is quite interesting, from where did you get those numbers?
@edit: nvm, tested it myself and it's indeed around that value for knuckles

 

Dual Swords has access to:
Double ampr, Rampage, Trigger slash, back step, Berserk (Increases atkspeed therefore more MP recovered). Saber aura I leave to you to decide as it's risky.

Knuckles has.. Chackra> useless 1 hit life span + 1-2 seconds charging, armor break (don't record the skill's name fully) Mp recover that relies on low RNG and has 3MP cost (good for combo with save tag tho) Terrible overall, Kenly attack 5amrp for 10 Skill points, you know the deal..
Not taking into account Decoy for obvious reasons.

Not to mention, You can get past 7k atkspeed with DW, Despite having DON YETI eating 1k of atkspeed with DW amazing buff skills.
also, You can't even fully focus on getting atkspeed and motion speed trough skills because if you don't go to the Buffskill>buffskill>buffskill>- Boring path your damage will be as good as a paper towel slap. You can't get speed without fuking Up your damage.
and the shit goes on...

atkspeed is worthless without a decent high ampr skill to buff it.
It wold make sense to have little to no MP recovering skills if Knuckle was insanely broken and needed to be slowed down as a Balancing for the power. But you already know it's comically far from being the case.

 

I believe he talk about the auto attack motion speed and using AMPR as a comparison.

DW 1 cycle attack is longer than Knuckle, this is fact. If calculate using AMPR without weapon advantage, knuckle did overcome DW.

the benefit for knuckle have short cycle attack is have additional chance to trigger auto attack Buff like Aggravate, Additional Melee/Magic, Dagger Hidden Arm and it’s Arm-break buff. ( If what you just need is damage, damage and damage, then you can just ignore this)

 

Regretless can be a good ampr source for knuckle. Most battle end in less than 3 min. And the extra resist is also nice

 

Yes, this is a fact, but you can't not take the Double ampr and many useful great skills in favor of Dual swords. If we are just citing facts for the sake of it, or curious things you didn't know'' then I understand, but it doesn't really make sense to not take these advantages into account, makes it look like knuckles is good. which isn't the case.
Like, yes, DW takes longer to auto attack, while the "Good" atkspeed of Knuckles surpasses it greatly, still one manages to freely get more than 8k atkspeed for no reason while Knuckles atkspeed is frequently killed by recent """Buffs""'', comically so, atkspeed on Knuckles is always asobimo first fucking victim when ""Buffing"" the class, it's not even Double edged sword that balances gameplay, it's just a shinning Spear stabbing your skull with a "Merry christmas" tag in it.) atkspeed just for itself doesn't conquer much aside from proration.
if we had a more profound auto attack system (sadly not the case) then I guess you could disregard ampr, but it's not how Toram system works, it works around skills, and skills need Only Mana.

and.. aggravate sucks... I don't have much to tell you in here, it's just bad... Short cycle attacks could work well with great skills supporting it, but currently auto attack mechanics are basically: Mp recover tool, and Proration.


Sorry if I'm too pessimistic all the time, Hard to be positive with toram as it currently is. it makes me genuinely sad and stressed.

another point I was thinking about and wanted to ask:

Do you think proration is a Good mechanic, or Fun? I have been playing other games Right now, and the more I do so the more I realize how boring the combat system actually is. Having only One skill for DPS and the rest of the skill tree totally useless, when we could have something like, the more skill points a skill gets the better the damage no matter the Tier, How slow and boring having expensive MP costs with limited 2.000 mana points (translated to 20MP, 20 1mp skills or 4 5MP skills), and finally Proration forcing you to constantly stand there and press the auto attack button. Very boring, slow, R E P E T I T I V E a s s F u K c, gameplay.
like, It works because that's how they intended the game to be, doesn't mean the whole thing looks great in the bigger picture.
Iconos is fun just because of that, you don't have boring proration system holding you down, you can play Freely without this weight holding you.
Unless you are Katana.

and By the way I wish we could have some kind of mechanic based around dealing damage with auto attacks, Since we have to do them all the time would be good to actually be fun to do so..

Dropping Toram anyway so, eh.. I lost hope on this doomed game. Since asobimo won't change it I will just let it die. You can't help who doesn't want help I gues...

 

Actually, after you cast your decoy and backstab for extra pierce.
With ice cape you can spam
Rush > combination (smite) > impact (con)
A combo having all three types of proration.
As long as your mp is enough, you don't need auto atk to prorate.
I think only knuckle make this possible.

 

I considered Regretless, But I pass Faaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr away from this skill for a reason You know..
This skill is a luxury for Star Gem rich bois, taking this as a serious essential tool for ampr, a skill that literally kills you in the end and makes it unviable for mini boss and farming, ridiculously risky (GSW is safe compared to regretless as with GSW you at least have a chance to revive) is telling of how *Desperate* knuckle state is...

 

4MP initial cost, if you use backstep to dodge Red area attacks or use anything else it becomes 4MP again, just quickly draining Mana Points in such a speed that even Decoy Online can't sustain...
Interesting, I feel like testing it, seems fun, but it's not viable even when using Decoy, Imagine on Highly mobile broken dashing bosses...

 

Everyone have their own favorite game and play style, you may not like it but it’s not the reason for you to curse it, because there still people who loved it, how do you feel when people keep blame your favorite game, and keep convince other people the game you like is suck, a piece of shit, and wasting all the effort to play on it? maybe you feel nth wrong about this but I suggest you can just simply leave the game to the one wanted to enjoy continue enjoy it.

for me, Toram not the best and not the mmorpg that I most wanted to play, but compare to current copy&paste, p2w mmorpg, it’s consider good and still have potential to growth, at least the developer keep adjusting the game and make it balance and fair to all player.

 

Except Knuckles. Here's another incident.
I've played this game for 4 weeks now. I haven't seen ONE Knuckle user beside me. Not even one.
Everytime I saw someone without Weapons, I always whispered to ask if they were Knuckle. No, either Barehand or MD main.
The solution to bad Auto attack is 'Rush mode', a 'Monster hunting bonus' style screen which activates after 20~ uninterrupted auto attacks. Then you basically spam the action button to deal lots of damage within 10 seconds. (Exclusive to Knuckles)

 

Just you have no luck, doesn’t mean it’s didn’t exist.

 

Toram gameplay is repetitive, It has strong points on being """"""""classless""""""" so your build is "Unique" to you and Hopefully fits your playstyle.
But as many people mention it is not even close to being truly what it says to be, that you have a lot of restrictions, yata yata... you probably have seen people mentioning it. The only classless game I know is albion.
and, Why are you assuming that "I don't like it"? I'm sorry but if I had the determination to play this game for 4-5 godamn years and literally study it (Idk the exact years) then I must have liked the gameplay don't you think? Hell this stupid game is the very reason I began dreaming about making an anime, kinda unfair to assume I don't feel anything for it just because I'm frustrated and criticizing it. I'm burnt out, I guess you are still filled with the hope to wait for asobimo incompetent corporation to do something, but soon or later you will give up, I mean.. unless you are lucky to see asobimo finally waking up in the time you wait, but if in 4+ years of playing asobimo never evolved (actually DEvolved a Lot, The roll back being the worst, most insane thing I've seen a corporation do to a game, make's me think they don't care about Toram at all) Then I'm pretty sure you won't be seeing this miracle either.
But it's ok if you don't know about how I feel about the game, you are not supposed to know.
Just don't dare assume criticizing the game means I don't like or love/ed it, or that I do critics in Bad faith.
I ultimately want it to get better and try to do so criticizing and trying to find some way to improve it.

Didn't I JUST try to find ways to improve the system and discuss Ideas? Hell I just asked if you ever questioned the proration system and gave my thoughts about some related things that could make the game MORE FUN TO PLAY, I don't wish it to do a 360* turn and become a "generic p2W RPG," just improve what we already have, (although even if Toram were P2w, if it was fun, it would still be better than current toram).
Did you even try thinking about some cool ideas too?? or was accusing me your first though? even when I try to be polite and artificial, show less emotion you snakes go straight to Tone policing? Ignore everything and go to attacks?

That's why I don't even bother trying to be an artificial, fake polite robot like so many wish I would.. there's no reason to, as no matter how I try, if I take people to recognize the game they so much "Love" is actually dying makes then turn the Ignorant mode On, and attack not the actual arguments and attempts of ideas I made, But ME and how I port myself, the classic Tone policing fallacy bullshit, if you decided to ignore everything and use of tone policing, Biting any chance to deflect the conversation, Then the problem isn't exactly me. If you don't want to improve the game you wouldn't hear me even If I presented amazing arguments to you in a golden platter. Snakes always go for the bite no matter what.

as for the game: The same with a kid, You don't let your child do bad things and get no consequences, and say things like "Becus it's a kiid", as it is enabling them to be even worse, if you truly Love the kid you would do the effort to correct them and make them grow.
Same is valid for a game, pretending that this game isn't controlled by a incompetent Team, and wishing away Harsh But NEEDED criticism will only make it slowly worse as time passes, if you TRULY care/love this game you criticize it BUT also help to improve it.
I don't think letting things be shit like they are, just so people don't get taken out of their comfort zones and let Toram Rot is "Love", letting the game die is not "Love", WHEN is criticism pleasant after all? they aren't (Youtube rants don't count), Specially Harsh criticism for bad situations, but they help make people Wake da fuk UP, and help the game.
I am at the very least trying to do something, maybe not in the best way but I prefer to do that than be non confrontational and let the game rot. If it ends up working then good. Letting asobimo step on us is not working so a different approach might work, Might. If this doesn't work then I will stop, but again, Crusher skills is proof asobimo is hearing the bitching. they still incompetent but it's something..

If anything, Playing Toram made me evolve perception of game balancing issues, made me realize how it lacks many things even Generic, pay to win half-aSs RPG's can do, and be more fun Long-therm. it's truly shameful.
If I end up wrong, at least I'm happy to help others develop their own critic skills, it's worth the Experience I guess.
No, "RaaNnT" or "YoU CuRSEdD" is not proving someone wrong.

Since you completely ignored everything to focus on tone policing I might as well call you out for it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Hunt Bonus is a feature for anyone who manages to kill a certain amount of monsters in the current area (No time limit, you will hit Hunt bonus eventually), just be sure to not leave the map as it resets the Hunt "Bar", counting thingy.
It boosts EXP and DROP of items so it's excellent for Farming rare items that people don't want to farm themselves.
Does not work on boss as you might know, On mini bosses I'm not certain since no mini bosses spawn during Hunt bonus, I should warn you to not tap a mini boss the party is killing IF it appears as I think it will just kill it without droping Items or EXP.

Hope this helps you, and Yes, Knuckles is not popular ._.)

Since U are new I think you might enjoy a good portion of the game as everything is literally new. but the game will not be very.. fun, trough the Eyes of the Brawler class. you might want to try out other Top classes that would otherwise be your secondaries.
I like talking to you Btw, would u mind chatting?

 

This >>> “ Dropping Toram anyway so, eh.. I lost hope on this doomed game. Since asobimo won't change it I will just let it die. You can't help who doesn't want help I gues... “

Korea mobile mmorpg “mabinogi”, as pc player mention is a no Class mmorpg.

 

is there a game that's not repetitive?