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Dual Wield 101: Introduction, Skills, Possible Dual Wield Playstyles, Builds, and Themes

Discussion in 'Warrior' started by Cypherian, Feb 28, 2016.

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I'm a bit conflicted about my stats. My build is Dex=Agi>Vit I like it right now, since I'm a bit tanky, and I can dish out damage but some people recommend me to go Dex>Agi instead. What should I do?

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Dex is for your hit and damage base and damage to main weap
agi is for flee and aspd and damage to sub weap
str is for cdmg and damage to both sub and main weap by half

higher dex = higher damage base
balanced dex agi = not so balanced damage output unless you have 2 of the same swords with same refine and attack.

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Whats ur main combo cyph

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Whats ur main combo cyph
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i dont really use only one combo tho. it depends on what im fighting

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Is impact worth for dw?

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Is impact worth for dw?
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for me? and considering the new skills. no, not really

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for me? and considering the new skills. no, not really
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Tyvm, ure the best dw ive ever know

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Oh btw whats ur armor and additional gear, sorry im asking too much hehehe

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I really want to combine the unstoppable dps and ampr builds. Is it possible?

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Then what skill do God's Speed increase damage to?

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Then what skill do God's Speed increase damage to?
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Twin slash, charging slash , I don't know about the other skills such as phantom slash if they count as a unsheathe. Anything that counts towards unsheathe, godspeed will increase it's damage

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Twin slash, charging slash ( i don't know about the other skills such as phantom slash if they count as a unsheathe ). Anything that counts towards unsheathe, godspeed will increase it's damage
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thanks!!! and last one... is Flash Blast active damagin when we use Shadow Step?

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thanks!!! and last one... is Flash Blast active damagin when we use Shadow Step?
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The attack after shadow step counts as a unsheathe, kind of like a forced evasion attack. So i'd say yes it does ( but i haven't personally tested the damage so i'm not 100% ) But i can say i personally use flash blast on my DW and i notice the difference

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The attack after shadow step counts as a unsheathe, kind of like a forced evasion attack. So i'd say yes it does ( but i haven't personally tested the damage so i'm not 100% ) But i can say i personally use flash blast on my DW and i notice the difference
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okay i should experiment it... thx!!

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okay i should experiment it... thx!!
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It always pays to experiment ( especially when its me giving the information because not even i trust my own knowledge )

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Hi Guys, It's me again, Cypherian.

Well, it's been a long time since my last post regarding my own build and solo ventures, and I have come up with some ideas regarding Play styles, Builds, and Thematics with the Dual Sword.

First of all, the Dual Sword Skill tree was released as an extension skill tree for the Blade Skills that use 1h and 2h.

The Main stats are Dex, Agi, and Str
Stats:

Dex

Increases Atk by 2

Increases Hit/Accuracy

Increases your Main Weapon Damage only.

Increases Crit Rate(?) (clarify me on this)

Agi

Increases Atk by 1

Increases Flee

Increases ASPD

Increases your Sub Weapon Damage only

Str

Increases Atk by 1

Increases ASPD

Increases CDMG(?) (clarify me on this)

Increases both Main and Sub weapon damage by half of what you would gain when you put 1 point in either Dex or Agi

What makes the Dual Sword, Unique:

Unique Attack Animation

The DS' Attack is considered to be called as a Normal Attack Set, rather than a Normal Attack. This is because the DS hits multiple times in every attack rather than once or twice like when equipped with Bow or Knuckles or Magic Devices.

The Dual Sword has a unique attack animation, including their First Attack and Evasion Attack.

The First Attack consists of a slicing animation by drawing the sword from their sheaths from the back of the player's avatar, The damage consists of three (3) strikes, One from the Main Hand, One from the Sub Hand and the Third strike is the Total damage of the damage from the Main hand damage and Sub hand damage.

The Regular Attack animation consists of five (5) swings with the 2 swords, 2 from Main Hand and 3 from Sub hand. Damage from each hand is unique, but remains the same through out the attack. Meaning, If your main hand damage hits for 1000, and your sub hand damage hits for 600, you hit 600-1000-600-1000-600 through out the animation.

The Evasion Attack is similar to the First Attack, It procs when you Evade an attack and do an Evasion Attack.

Increased AMPR(Attack MP Recovery)

Compared to other Weapons. The When Equipped with Dual Swords, You also gain increased AMPR. My theory on this is because of the Unique Attack animation. The DS' regular attack set consists of 3 attacks of a 1h. The Attack set consists of 2-2-1 hits, thus considering it as 3 separate attacks.
(This is just my theory, based on observations and research)
Skill Tree that exploits(?)/relies/enhances the Evasion
With the Skill Passive, Godspeed (explained further later on), This is what gives the DS their unique Attack Animation and Evade Attacks. Also, the Skill, Reflex enhances your Evasion Rate, at the cost of Def and MDef, this is to say that DS really relies more on counter attacking and dodging rather than getting hit.

Skills: (Quoted most from @Argo, Thanks bud)

Dual Sword Mastery

This passive lets you equip a sword on the Sub Hand. Equipping a Sword on a sub hand decreases your accuracy and crit rate. But maxing this skill passive, negates the drop in Accuracy and Crit Rate.

Twin Slash

This is one of your Main Damager Skill. This skill has a passive that increases this skills Crit Damage. Based on my Observations and, without added crit damage. This Skill increases its own Crit Damage by 250% at level 10. Without added Crit Damage, having 150% base Crit Damage. you get 400% Crit Damage on this Skill.

Cross Parry

This is a good skill in my opinion. It lets you charge up to attack the enemy twice, with a chance to tumble the target, and after the skill is done. It gives you the Parry Buff. a buff that let's you negate 90% of the damage you receive on the next attack.

Reflex

A Buff skill that Gives you increased evasion for 100 seconds. But decreases your DEF and MDEF by 90% at level 10. I personally use this skill because i have a high evasion rate base and flee stat, when used, makes me evade 5 out 10 times.

Dual Sword Control

This passive gives you +50 Aspd per level, and also reduces some of the reductions on accuracy, and critical rate, the same with Dual Sword Mastery.

Spinning Slash

Your Main/Only AoE Skill on the skill tree. Slashes quickly to hit enemies around you and knocking them back, then generating a whirlwind that causes damage over time in that area. The DPS in the AoE is good. It can hit hard at the initial attack, and also hits hard at the per tick damage in the whirlwind. This is one of my favorite skills to use when i'm soloing bosses.

Charging Slash

Charges up, and dashing through the target and deals damage in a line. This skill hits really hard but the cast animation takes a long time. It's also a good disengage skill. Sometimes I use this when I want to disengage from a boss using a wide AoE skill.

Godspeed

Increases Agi, +14 at lvl 10, Also gives you the unique evasion and first attack, increases their damage, along with some skills on the Dual Sword tree.

Playstyles and Builds
Regarding play styles, this is where the true power of a Dual Sword shows.

Here are some of the Play styles that I have discovered and played through out the existence of the DS Skill Tree.

Standard Damager

This is the most straight forward Playstyle that most players opt for, maxing out Dex because of the high atk increase per dex.
Your normal attack on Sub Weapon is very low, but your skill damage is very high.
You only rely on full on damage from skills. Mostly using Twin Slash as a damager.
You don't get increased ASPD, Flee, or Crit Damage because of this.

Maximized AMPR

This is my favorite build personally, basically you build around increasing AMPR by equipping xtals like S.Roar, Moonlight Potum, Equipping Magic Scarf, Warrior's Bangle, Brutal Dragon Crown, Flower Headband. Maxing Sober Analysis and Trigger Slash for that AMPR and MP Regen.
With my current build, without trigger i can regen a full bar per attack set, and with trigger, i can regen around 130% of an mp bar.
Allowing you to Skill spam 1mp combos and prorate them with one or two attack sets, making you quickly regen your mp also gives you the chance to dish out high mp combos more quickly.

Refer to this link for more information*

Full Evasion

This build, same with the Maximized AMPR Build, makes you build around Evasion. Since Evasion is a counter attack. It relies heavily on high flee rate. Evasion is the number of time you counter attack from an attack from the enemy that misses you. You gain Evasion from Light Armor Remodel, Light Armor Mastery, Xtals and equips, and Eva Up. There are Evasion Xtals such as Eva+4, Forest Wolf. Armor like Forest Wolf Garb, Adds like Mole Eyes that give Evasion +10% and Rings like Sand Veil Ring. There are also pots that give evasion like Black Clot Mist that gives 10 Evasion. This playstyle and build let's you Evade most of the time, thus making you not get hit and Counter Attack most of the time.

Eva Tank

This is also Similar to Full Evasion. But on this playstyle and build, you're team relies on you to tank most of the time.
Building Off of Agi and Vit and increased Evasion and HP Items are a must on this build. As well as getting Aggro equips like Hero Scarf.

Magic Blader

This is one of the fun builds that i tested out but only saw it's potential in the Late to End Game status of the game.
This By Building Dex and Int. Dex Gives you MATK and CSPD. Int Gives you MATK.
The time i built this, i concentrated on using bombard spells like Arrow Lance Storm and Impact, the typical mage skill spams.
Utilizing your DS attacks to regenerate MP through increased AMPR and Prorate the Magic Damage you deal with Normal Attacks.
You may also use the Hard Hit Astute Trigger slash Combo for your Physical Damage Combo and increase your AMPR
then your main damage combo is Astute Impact Storm Trigger.

Unstoppable DPS

This is also a fun build. You mostly use Spinning Slash and Tempest on this build because.
Along with the multiple hits from your normal attack, the DPS from Spinning Slash, you also use Tempest Slash to group enemies together when they are inside the Spinning Slash AOE. Crit Reliant and high Damage, but costs a lot of MP.

The Soloist

Along with Maximized AMPR, I also like this build because you rely mostly on utility and survivability along with Medium to High Damage Outputs. With this build, you max out HP Boost along with Fighter's High and using HP and Resistance Boosting equips and/or xtals. This makes you non-reliant on HP Pots like Vita Plus and Revitas and Regeras. This can make you solo most bosses and mini-bosses.

Force Blader

This is a fun build, the most fun I've ever had. I saw some potential on this build, you don't rely on your auto attacks to deal damage. Because this build makes you use Power Wave from the Mage Skill Tree. You only use auto attacks to regen mp from AMPR. In this build, you utilize the Charging Slash here the most with your Astute Spinning Slash Charging Slash Combo. Astute for high damage, and increased Crit Rate, Spinning Slash for the knock back and Damage Over Time and Charging Slash as a High Damage Disengage Skill. What's also good with this build is you can attack enemies from 10 meters away. Although your normal attacks don't hit that hard. your skills still hit hard.

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Welp, That's it for my post.
Enjoy reading
I will update this from time to time when i think of new themes and build based on the current meta and for future metas.
You can PM me if you want some help on building your DS,
Thanks for Reading. BYE!
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Cy... Do Dodge up increase evasion rate?
How can u have a high evasion rate? Is there any evasion xtal?
Cella [Yurie ♥], May 14, 2016

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I'm a bit conflicted about my stats. My build is Dex=Agi>Vit I like it right now, since I'm a bit tanky, and I can dish out damage but some people recommend me to go Dex>Agi instead. What should I do?
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I also thinking the same question. To be tangy should include vit or not?

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I also thinking the same question. To be tangy should include vit or not?
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I'll chose Dex > Str :|

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