Question from f2p regarding ava ticks

Lol fox do you even know what exactly eu rules say?
Besides it gacha, it's not the government who decides what should be the rate.
It the game owners who decide.

Do you understand what gacha means?
You cannot calculate such a thing, just because it says rates.
What you will do if you see a rate of 0.01 percent in gacha.

 

Hey forsthydra you must be a type of player who spends orbs on avatars using unpaid orbs and when you fail to get what you wanted, you ask for a refund.

 

Focus on the topic all of you, stop trying to divert me from the topic.

So yeah you do get higher rates with paid orbs as compared to unpaid orbs and it's totally legal in any game.
Just because you cannot afford paid orbs, you have no right to lash out on game companies for treating premium players differently.
In turn you just trying to pick a fight with premium players.

You will yet get all the high rare items like full ava sets using unpaid orbs.

 

i do, but do you? apparently not.
so here, for you:

Spoiler

5.4. Disclosing the probabilities of obtaining different items Another practice which aims at providing information to consumers is the disclosure of the probabilities of obtaining different rewards from a loot box. This type of informationprovision has been implemented through legislation (i.e. as a requirement) and through industry self-regulation measures(i.e. as a voluntary measure).
[...]
Similarly, the world's two largest app
stores (Apple's App Store and Google Play) both require game developers to display the probabilities of obtaining different items if loot boxes are used in games(Apple'sApp Store Review Guidelines for Developers; Google Play's Developer Policy Center). Major console manufacturers and their platforms are following with similar commitments(ISFE, 2019c).

source: https://www.google.com/url?q=https:...8QFnoECAIQAg&usg=AOvVaw0C2kpOEiA8ZH9COJOEZgZB

my apologies. i shouldn't expect a child to understand advanced probability theory and mathematical analysis.

 

Bruh the kid doesn't even bother to read a 10-line reply, what u expect from showing that 50-page document?
Told u he only wants to run his mouth, not a proper argument
That aside, here's a comment of a member in a discord group i'm in

Basically showing increased rate with paid orb would likely to encourage players to buy orb since, you know, mental effect or some sort. Who wouldn't like better chance to get stuff huh?
Unless there are some unknown, hidden reason, I can't think of why aso would want to hide that.
Can you think of any? Pls enlighten me

 

So only thing it says is to display the rate of getting an item.
And here you are making a fuss over it.
Lots of oversmart people here.
Do you understand what that means? Lol

Maybe you failed to understand why they separated paid and unpaid orbs.
I ain't going to tell you, f2p players going to cry.

 

As I already said you can yet get high rare items even with unpaid orbs, but there is a catch.
So keep spinning, you will get, eventually.

I can understand rant of a player who used paid orbs and failed to get something after multiple spinning.
I have no idea why people here crying over unpaid orbs they got for free.

 

you don't understand what that means. it is legally impossible to raise the rates when using paid orbs without revealing it.

free orbs are consumed first and paid orbs have an expiry date. yet, both are treated equally for purchasing items.
if you still want to defend your point, consider this:
you use the 1+2 offer to buy 1 orb and get 2 free orbs. then you use the 3 orbs to buy an avatar box. did you use free or paid orbs?
(hint: if they were separate, you wouldn't have 3 orbs to spend, but 1 and 2. not enough to pay the 3 orb price.)

that's why i quoted the relevant section. the 50 page document is the source, absolute proof.
so far that makes me the only one in this discussion who can back up their claims.
i win.

 

Ok keep believing whatever you want to believe in.
I know how things work in any gacha based games, specially when real money in involved.

You are just trying to justify f2p players.
Which is already justified by devs by letting everyone have free orbs.

Paid orbs will always have better chance of getting any rares as compared to unpaid orbs.

You even failed to understand why paid orbs have expiry date.

Unpaid orbs get consumed first so that you get all the trash possible, then when paid orbs are consumed, higher rare items are easy to get.

I won't get into too much details.
Waste of time explaining how involvement of real money makes a huge difference.

All you have is free items.
And think you are equal to players who pay real money.
Guess you don't know how real world works.
Too bad, kids.

 

Anyone can win against momo, as long as they have concrete proof or any relevant stuff to back up their claim, since he's incapable of doing the same anyway.
His replies later on only have "great argument, unfortunately your mom" kind of vibe, which just discourage people from continuing.

Speaking of which, there's a "purchase" that can only be done with paid orb: Stargem.
Also, paid orbs can be obtained in big amount within short time, depending on how rich one is, while free orb takes much longer to obtain, and mostly come as shards first. The only times when players can get a fairly high amount of free orbs in short time that i know of are the rollbacks, and I doubt that rollback is a good thing.

 

Guess you don't know how p2w works in games either.
You pay, you get everything fast, simple as that.

Do you even spend any real money in games?
I bet you don't, even if you do, probably not enough.
You don't even have experience of being a p2w player.

Talking about winning?
Come on now.

Everyone is a f2p player, but not everyone is p2w player, at least understand that much difference.

That so called proof you bragging about says only about revealing the rate of rare items.
It doesn't say anything about rng.

 

Anyway whatever, just keep spinning vorti, you will eventually get those rare items using unpaid orbs or avatar tickets.

 

Werent the 200 orbs we got as comp also unpaid orbs? Remember those sh*tloads of cheap piercers and primes, no? Or the tons of avatars people got from them. Whats the point of you guys trying to win an argument with a child?
Any RNG in a gacha still uses some kind of formula, so idek tf are you talking bout momo, just lol. The point is, if they had different rates, they would need to show it too (at least for EU) since they didn't, you can try guessing. But most likely you wont read this long text since its more than 2 lines of text and by no means do I want to get in an argument with a person that didnt back up even 1 of their claims (except the words: wkwkwk, im pro gacha player, Iknowitall)

 

Oh boy, things are getting interesting.

 

Lol razi you talking like you got anything good out of those 200 orbs.
Stop speaking on behalf of others, like they got this rare item, that rare item out if 200 orbs, like you know anything.
You talking like you know exactly what they got out of those 200 unpaid orbs.
And tons of what? Joker avatars? Lol
You mean those cheap discounted avatars, that devs would rather decide to give for free?
And yeah I read entire thing you said.
Unlike that forst who talks what nonsense, I have no idea.

I never said you cannot get high rare items.
They literally spent their 200 orbs, just to get 1 piercer or 2.
Since there were thousands of players who got piercers that way, even 1, it flooded the market.

The lengths these people go to talk fake justify themselves, how funny.

Why is this argument even going on.

These f2p surely trying their best to justify their freeness. Lol

The way you commenting surely shows how much you hate p2w players.
I won't say too much, not interested in offending f2p players.

And eu rules are not exactly what it says.
Maybe you don't realise, when players spend money in games, it doesn't just go to the game companies.
There are taxes in it, which the government eats up.
Now why would government ruin their revenue.

Man these amateurs.

 

The topic of this thread is already over, and the answer is already known.
Which is yeah, you can get good avas even using unpaid orbs and avatar tickets.

Stop trying to argue with me unnecessarily.

 

Well, the argument is already over anyway. Everyone "won" in their own way.

 

You yet salty that I didn't read your posts, but I did of razi.

 

I mean, I know what people got because I had 2 accs rollbacked. Yes, I was pretty unlucky but I spent most on ava gacha. 3 ava sets on 1 acc and some 0-1 piercers on other acc I got primes but only 1 full set and other random pieces. Yep, totally agree that the answer was already said even before you started the offtop, the rates for paid and unpaid orbs are at least similar if not same, its just that toram RNG is kinda...you know.

 

Now try that with 200 paid orbs.
I bet you will understand the difference after that.

You only know what 200 unpaid orbs are capable of providing.