Raw Footage about Lucifere and my Armor. Decide for yourself.

It does not matter now that you gonna give him back or not , because you already lost your fame and trust of them . the only good thing for you is keep that item , it will be pointless to give or pay it back , after a long time of none reply there won't be any hope lol .

 

You guys know that you can make new acc after get banned .-. . none gonna catch the 50k data of acc lol nvm just my opinion

 

Fame and trust can be rebuilt in this case and he should still give the armor and money back.

 

I agree it's hard to keep the large guild in place.. in this case it's not the Guild Master's fault..

 

Sorry , forgot to say my opinion lol

 

I didn't manipulate any coversation. I even post a raw video. A looooooooong loooooooong loooooooong video. Where is the manipulation there sir? It's you, nothing but you. Is my pot insufficient? If yes? How? Why'd you know that it'll be risky even before I give my arm to you? Why'd you hide after saying that you failed my arm? Why can it be failed in the first place with my pot and the pot that the specific stat really need? Why'd you hide the armor for almost 1 month and never SS it right after you fail it? Why'd you even be mad at me despite you being the one who fail? Why'd you leave in our conversation in line if you're willing to replace/pay my armor? Why'd you doubt on wyrix' formula? There's so many questions in my head regarding this topic but I kept myself calm and serene despite losing valuable item which for other people, you're actually the victim because I somehow "Accused" you for being a scammer. First of all, how is this an accusation? There's the raw video, then there's him raging and trying to make me look like a bad person. You know what? I don't know what to say anymore. There's the raw video. I did not manipulate any conversation. You said that you will pay me after 3months? No thank you sir. Here's your reputation. Humans should know the basics between right and wrong. Real eyes, realize, real lies.

 

I have to agree with both this and what Ida said. Lucifere and Szchev both have the right to accuse each other or defend themselves but the other party involved has a fair chance to do the same so really for the earlier post in this thread it isn't the forum that's being unfair or trying to be unfair for that matter but you who is trying to be unfair Szchev refusing when Lucifere already said he would both give you the armor back and repay you for his mistake.

 

Well everything is just a verbal promise for now , and of course it is not in favour of szchev.
If they trully wanna settle this , lucifeire should give schev something that is worth 4.5m and when the time comes lucifeire manage to earn the sufficient spina , he should give it to schev and schev will also return over the item that he previously received from him, should he as for example didn't manage to pay it after the deadline then szchev is now allowed to do whatever he wants with the item. Problem here is "if" lucifeire has an item that has worth 4.5m , that is why I opt for the suggestion that lucifeire's name should be placed upon "potential" scammers temporarily until he pays the item back.

 

Let's do this thing this way to make it more understandable: You have a smartphone, you lend it to me because the majority said that I am 'trusted'. I broke your smartphone, then instead of fixing things in a proper way, I rage and even cursed at you despite me being in a wrong side, then I suddenly disappear after breaking your phone, and I came back after almost a month saying that I will suddenly fix things but just to make sure that everything will be as good as I want it to be, I suddenly eagerly want to back your broken phone to you and you need to take it or else you will become a very bad, stupid person not only to my eyes but also to the eyes of other people who believes that I just broke your phone by accident. And you need to take it and wait for the payment for another 3 months, 3 months without any choice. What would you do? Say sorry to me for not taking your broken phone that I wanna eagerly give back all of a sudden? Say sorry for me and my friends cause you somehow accused me? What would you do? Let me know.

 

Of course I'd be mad but people deserve a second chance and a chance to redeem themselves if they want to try to even if they didn't do so right away. If they fail to redeem themselves then you can respond however you please and think whatever you want of them but if you don't give them the chance they ask for even if it seems unreasonable to you in the first place then you in the end only make yourself look bad if they were actually being honest about wanting to make amends.

 

Is this kind of reply a proof that I wanna make things worse up until this point in the first place?

 

Ok so if you want me to accept that fail armor, it's alright for me. That obviously a no problem just for the sake of everyone's peace of mind.

 

In the first line of this attachment you complained about him not offering to give back the fail arm but now you complain about him offering to both return the fail arm and pay you the 4.5m for it as well, sorry but I don't see how this has anything to do with everyone's peace of mind. You two should take time to discuss a fair proper way for Lucifere to have a chance to make amends without being unreasonable about it and stop arguing with each other or those of us who give our opinion of your situation in the first place

 

You'll be mad right? Well the thing is, I'm not even mad at that time. I was shocked and disappointed but stayed calm and ask him to cooperate in a proper way. I don't know man. If you want me to look like a bad person here, it's ok with me. No problem I'll accept it. You won. I surrender.

 

That's where your wrong I actually don't think either of you are bad guys I just think you're going about this the wrong way and starting to annoy others by claiming everyone else is against you and that no one is being fair. Anyway I'm going to go farm skeletons for a bit and log off here, have a good day an stop saying everyone is against you ^.^

 

please give some proof of me complaining about his offer which is my fail arm and that 4.5m that'll be payed in mid-June? An actual complain will be highly accepted.

 

Idk man but 3months for a 4.5m, that's abit too long especially with someone doing a stat service. The victim could've quitted by that time and/or this topic wouldve been forgotten already.
Second choices is an opportunity everyone deserve and I agree with that but if it's only "verbal" promise , then it wouldn't be fair for the victim more especially with the time given by "accused" it is just unfairly too long.
@Szchev` go and report his name on kariin's ultimate scammer thread as a 'potential' scammer temporarily until he finishes up his dues so there would be a motivation for him to finish his payment as soon as possible.

 

The way I see it, lucifere just screwed up badly. @Szchev` give him a chance to redeem himself.
I probably would have freaked out if lucifere did something like that to me. he should probably give you compensation equal to the worth of the armor.
he can keep the failed armor, or return it.
If he gives you items, just sell those and buy yourself what you need.
until the compensation is made(with ss) lucifere will be treated as a scammer.
fine with everyone?