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Successful non-shield dps brawler builds?

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Kaisyl, Nov 30, 2019.

  1. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    Especially those that can solo.
     
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    Rydalis Darx Well-Known Member

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    Define successful, because with enough time effort and revive droplets anything can solo.
     
  3. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    lmao I mean builds that don't rely on gimmicks like full STR or STR at all.

    Currrently, using a knux + MD, I can solo a lot of content easily but what I'm looking at now are
    1) Knux + Dagger builds
    2) Fu builds

    Or builds other than knux which resonate well with the foresight passive from assassin skill tree.

    Basically, I'm trying to see if there is any successful ninja build without STR in it.
     
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    Rydalis Darx Well-Known Member

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    take a normal ninja build that uses STR and replace it with DEX, AGI, or INT (with Shaved Ice Arm)
    I personally would reccomend Sword-fu or Gun-fu
     
  5. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    The main problem with that is the low dmg when trying to solo ulti ranked bosses
     
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    Rydalis Darx Well-Known Member

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    It's why toy gun is useful, and also a lot of crit damage is from STR. When you attempt to build something without STR, you lower your crit damage potential by 51% (because 255 Str gives 51 crit damage).
    It's mainly the fault of aso, but yeah, you remedy this issue by having more attack than the enemies def (which wont happen on some) and have physical pierce.
     
  7. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    Have toy gun but I don't like the stun unavailable despite it being very useful. Don't get me wrong in that I am disregarding the weapon, I'm not.

    What really irks me is the stupid need for crit rate for all physical dps to hit something. You'd think dex would do that but noooo.....

    Lets say full AGI, (which only knux can use really so far) with DEX 100 and CRT 100, you'd be able to dodge all attacks and even get some hits in but your attacks would hit like a binary code.

    Personally, I don't like STR because of that fact but it seems that it's the only viable stat for solo players currently. Hopefully the new T3 skills change this...
     
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    Aw, but staff fu is so good :(
     
  9. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    BLERGH

    It's the most boring build in the game. Just spam impact chariot till you die and win.
     
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    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Try agi vit with toygun and oni horns. 255 extra flat attack might be decent enough to compensate the 50 cdmg loss from str. You will have lots of HP to solo. Use elegant poise as a defensive skill.

    Use md as a sub. Resonance will give you some nice mo recovery. Ether flare only lasts 7 seconds and needs an elemental advantage on the md but it will give you a huge 30 ampr and magic proration, use it at the end of your combo. You can even go decoy less
     
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    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    With VIT I can see some potential uses for dark power skills too...
    Definitely a stat combination to consider, thanks.

    Won't bother with spina expensive skills like Ether flare though, seems like a waste of time tbh as you need to be constantly changing equipments.

    What about a Knux + Dagger (AGI + DEX) build? Has anyone ever made such a build successful?
     
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    Impact-[Insert_Any_Damage_Skill_Here] is basically the right way to play toram these days v:
    Btw, any dps build without STR would suffer a huge loss on crit damage, so I think you can't avoid it, specially solo, where you kinda need to cover damage from missing party members
     
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    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Expensive? Not at all. Ether flare is literally on the first row of the tree. It does cost you about 1.5m for the book but if you cabt even spare that much might as well not making a brawler thats inherently the weakest weapon type. Elemental mds are easy to make, just get the cheapest md on the cb and stat them. Its basically an easier version of dual wield sub. No refinement needed, just any md.

    Knuck dagger with gattling costs you lots of SP on top of being overlapping with an already existing chariot and its not even better due to the low base atk of knuck.

    As for darkness skill. Theyre all meh, dark stinger isnt worth t it. Demon claw also needs high base atk to be effective and it even at the cost of having constant low hp, sacrifice is bad. The only thing useful is regretless that increase your ampr and resistance each stack. And its on the third row which isnt exactly cheap either in term of skill points. Resonance is not just a gimmick, so is ether flare

    And if youre talking about constantly changing equipments, bow cf literally switches arrows for each element of the bosses

    And what exactly do you mean a "sucess"? Its not like a str agi brawler a failure. You need to know what to sacrifice and what you get in return if you choose not to use str. What do you want from playing a brawler? The agi and the martial skill damage bonus for chariot? To solo? To have better survivability without using a shield? You need to weigh the worth between the options.
     
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    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    Then the only way would be to either rely on STR or have a bunch of skills compensate...
     
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    You sound like other than Knuc+shield is a fail / fun build.....
     
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    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    Eh nah, knux + shield is good but shield is really over used in this game don't you agree? But that isn't without reason.

    I personally can't stand shields...
     
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    me myself swap from shield type to dagger type( aspd build)
    1st reason: need 10 sp to balance the aspd
    2nd: it delays the animation when the guard triggered


    shield is good but it depends on type of build
    Reasons why shield is good as sub:
    1st:pdef is freaking awesome
    2nd: gives resistance

    it all depends on reference.
     
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    Never use knuc-shield, knuc already have very low attack, if still focus on DEF build just make knuc become a tank.

    Other than knuc-arrow, the rest all should have no problem on solo combat, at least I been using knuc-dagger solo for few years.
    The only problem when looking for party...
    Not tank? Kick
    Not Shield ? Kick
    Knuckle ? Kick

    So...hope crusher make some change.
     
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  20. Kaisyl

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    Hopefully...

    settled to build sword fu. Its fun. Feels like a berserker build tho
     

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