Tanks complaining because Venena touches them with her balls

I don't really like it much when people complain about other people's builds because they're "not meta" since I enjoy weird builds, but I keep ending up in parties where the tank dies every so often because they can't kill the balls, then they go and blame the rest of the party for not helping them. I understand that it is somewhat meta for tanks to skip out on impact because it is mostly just used for smiting skills in the current meta, but it's a bit annoying when your tank blames you because they died. I'm not certain what my goal of making this thread is other than to gripe and whine like a little baby, but it would be nice if tanks could just get impact instead of calling it a waste of skill points and dying because a pair of balls touches them. On the other hand though, should dps builds just help their tanks kill the balls?

 

I play tank and I have impact skill. I love impact skill XD so useful especially with Venena and Usasama hell mode. One of my tanker friend does not have impact and use nature's wonder instead (knuckle tank) . I usually let my pt know if i am lacking in a certain skill or need help with something. For example at Usasama hell mode...I dont have provoke skill yet so I asked my pt member to start after Usasama atk me first instead of jump right in the battle and I do ask some dps to look after me if I got stunt and cannot kill phantom myself XD ( I call it team work!!)
Recently, I was farming at Carbuncle with my Knuckle tank and she has the lowest aggro out of my 3 tanks and low mp regen as well but she is super good with interup the deadly aoe skill so I ask dps to be aware that I might lost aggro if they keep spamming but most of the time boss was like a punching bag coz it cannot do any damage much to the dps with my interuption and I can tank 2 carbuncle in 1 time as well XD. I always appreciate if the dps are helping tanker :3

Anyway, my point is , it comes down to teamwork and if your tank have a specific need , they should discuss it before the round start and if you can help then it is awesome too.

 

Welp, instead of complaining, tank should ask for help on getting rid of balls going near him since most tank don't add impact just like me.

When I dps, I try to kill balls when it's on venenna range. Tank getting killed by balls can turn into team wipe in worse case scenario specially on ulti mode.

 

I kill the balls, usually to move around the map faster as a 1h-dagger.

 

But then there's the problem. People who have impact don't need to aim for the balls because impact makes them easy to kill, so when someone doesn't have impact, they do become rather deadly, especially towards builds that need to stay still most of the time.

I like this way of thinking. Normally people don't think about how someone's build may be different from someone else's, even if that build is meant to serve the same purpose. People in this game are too concerned with staying inside the meta that they assume everyone's build will be mostly the same, and if someone's build has any sort of deficiency, then their build is complete trash and they aren't worth being in a party with.

Why exactly is it that a lot of tanks don't get impact? It seems like in the current level cap you'd be able to get everything you need and more.

 

I think Venena has so much big dick energy that the balls are enough to assert dominance over the playerbase.

 

My reasons for not taking impact:
1. As a knux main tank, I already have a strong tumble skill, so impact is a no for me.

2. Impact does contribute to proration but autos is already good enough and dps spam a lot of impact skill anyway.

3. 27 skill points for impact can be used on skills that might benefit the tank more. I'm clearly not stating impact is not good for tanks, it is just that the bosses I know that need impact to clear some mobs are only venenna and usasama purple spirit imo.

4. There are some dps who will help you out clearing balls for you if you ask them nicely. ^^)b

 

For me, impact need too many skill points for too little benefit.
Edit: In this Venena situation, my tank uses spiral air to oneshot the ball that reach me.

 

I just attack them balls one by one with power wave, and decoy when it gets closer, though I recently bought dancer skill to get nature's wonder, which only costs like 15 sp compared to impact's 22 sp. Shield cannon as a combo opener so I could throw skills at them from practically anywhere to keep the aggro at bay.

If you really want an ultimate aoe skill for tanking purpose, binding strike at 20 sp should worth the best, at max level the radius is 5m compared to impact's 3m and it dealt multiple hits while having additional aggro

Instead of getting impact I much prefer these utility skills that could aoe, heal, and ampr better.
I don't see much tanks use power wave even though it's so good, you can keep prorating and gets mp recovery from long range. 1h sword tank can substitute shukuchi with a much faster sonic blade. I use sonic blade stargem which is relatively cheap, at level 4 it has 12m range, at lvl 7 it has 16m range which is enough for me for most part, and could go up to 20m at lvl 10. Edit: on ohs, the range is +4 so at level 4 you can ald have 16m range, and 24m at max level

 

I guess some people want to be dominated.

What skills do you need to get that make it to where you can't get impact?

That's interesting, I didn't know spiral air could do that. I suppose it has something to do with the fact that it doesn't crit.

lol, I hate Venena too, but it's easy to find a party there so I spend a good amount of time grinding Venena.

 

I know right, I use power wave too XD ahh love that skill since I can atk boss from long range and dont have to wait for the boss to come back at me , good for my 1hs and knuckle
Sadly my BG tank does not have any aoe skill other than impact so I still have to use it. I feel that impact is good for mass kill mini boss for my bg coz it has a wide circle tumble. When I feel like I need a break from all the mini bosses atk I used it to stop it for a sec (for example Lynx and Odelon...sometime those crazy aoe from 4 mini bosses in 1 time are just too much... ;^; )

I used to read somewhere that we should not build our cha for a specific boss but rather adapt to our play style and every bosses that come! My friend and I have a very different tank build and we are both good at what we are doing. I don't follow meta way of building tank coz sometime I rarely use a certain skill and sometime I use some skills so often. However , it suit my play style and as long as we work together as a team then we can achieve the goal :3

 

if the tank die because balls, then they are bad tank. from my experience good tank without impact usually just shout "ball", when those balls almost reach them. if they die, then thats mean they don't see the map.

 

I use magic arrow or normal hit the balls and using warcry to hold the aggro...

 

so im the only tank here who instead of using impact, i used binding strike (aoe skills from Knight skill)._.
ez one hit kill balls+aggro on ven

 

As a non pure tank(smith knuc tank) i cant get impact as smith skills already took those extra sp. I know its impractical but i just a casual player just play for what it is. Got blamed because of me dying on balls but i improvised and adapt. Came up with a combo that utilize chariot when they get near(its quick and 1sp too). People need to calm down for a while so they not be consumed in the game. I think everything has its limits.

 

Tank help us to distract the boss.
Why dps complain to help tank?

 

As tank, i never once shouted pt to kill balls (unless if i died, then i told em died cus balls)
Whether i have impact or not, i usually let my decoy and auto atk to do the works (while stunning them too if one of em almost touched me)
Just don't forget to atk it by yourself

 

This problem is like in Usasama Hell Mode, many tanks cant hold 3 gespecter so they need help for partners. For me, this game is pve and we should colaborate for win :v

Idk, many people only raise his ego in a pve game Xd