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What Effects on Secondary Weapons Function?

Discussion in 'Toram Online Game Guides' started by Mugami, Jan 9, 2016.

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  1. BK

    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

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    My mage dies xD especially at dg but not very often
     
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    Mugami Well-Known Member

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    Here's a simple example tho:
    DG
    I set %trigger to 85%.
    The means as long as I only get hit once in 10 seconds; I'll stay above 1,200hp.
    The most I've ever seen him hit my breaker mage is 1,196. And that's with his big aoe.
    So unless he stuns me right after I used a revita 2, he can't kill me. And that's very rare. 1 in 50 battles maybe.

    And ooze can never kill me because his hp% based aoe doesn't take vita plus into account. So it can never hit for more than 110% which is less than my max hp+500 from vita plus.

    Roga is harder. Only way to never die is vita plus 2 and 80% trigger.
    I rarely waste my time with vita plus 2s. Since this is the only time I need them.
     
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    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

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    Yep, mines at 65% because if his aoes hit id be at around 600hp tho i wouldnt put it any higher as dg's autoattack is around 300, so i wouldnt wanna use rev3 just for 300hp, but im mostly around full or 3/4 hp unless someone steals my tumble routine
     
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    Mugami Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I use 2s not 3s. That's the dif between us.
     
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    I couldnt use rev2s, even tho rev3 is abit pricier its worth it
     
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    I can! I'm Eva! Lol:cool:
     
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    :p true anyway ps4 time tc^^
     
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    Hai thx for the guide it's really help me a lot ( trust me it is ) ,now i know what i must to do with my stupid Gunner :p:p:p

    Ask : i do some research with Physical Pierce stat...( and untill now still doesn't found some silver light about that ) did you ever try this one mate ??
     
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    It just negates that much of the opponents' Def.
    Like 6% physical pierce
    VS
    600 def
    = it's treated as only 564 def.
    And thx 4 the compliment.
     
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    Alycia What did I miss? Elite Member

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    Knuck/Arrow a very bad combination? Not really applicable to "Arrow throwing Snipers"
     
  11. Mugami

    Mugami Well-Known Member

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    Knucks don't get that high of an Atk. So while an "arrow throwing" knuck might do some decent dps for that one skill. It costs a lot, requires at least 11 skill points to get into it, and takes away from what you should actually be putting those points into.

    (Not that I'm saying each build has a single exemplar or only one way. Just this has the least possible effectiveness for a knuck. Its only real advantage would be making solos faster. But a good knuck can already solo everything in the game so far except for Arcoinis, so to waste 11-20 points for the sake of faster runs.......)

    Besides, you think you can out dps a Bowgun, dps mage, or even a 2h? You won't get the rank, you lessen your chances of getting the rank you should, and you can't tank half as well, so less survivability. So I stand by my statement: The second worst choice in the game, just behind staff/MD.
     
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    Question~ I am a bit confused with description on MagicDevices used as subweapon for characters that uses knuckles main weapons. It says 'stability in sub stats functions' Does this mean I get Full 100%stability if I have Jahamadar+Vita Cores?(Jahamadar 90%Stability+Vita Cores' "Stability+10%")
     
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  13. Mugami

    Mugami Well-Known Member

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    Max Stability is 95%.

    Stability substats on secondary weapons are one of the few that work. Most substat do not.
    Only:
    Atk +
    Atk +_%
    MAtk +
    MAtk +_%
    Stability +__%


    Sidenote:
    Stability substats are always "a percent of the percent".
    (Example: substat is "Stability +10%"
    That's 10% of your base stability.
    If your base stability is 50%;
    Then 50×1.1=55%.
    If base stab is 90%;
    Then 90×1.1=99%.
    99% becomes 95%.
    Because 95% is max.
     
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    How bout 1H sword with 1H sword (DW)?
     
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    Secondary weapon in DW also doesn't work. Same as my last comment.
    There are a few differences on how damage functions for offhand tho.
     
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    :( Thats mean equipping DW only for new skill only?
     
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    Mugami Well-Known Member

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    Sorta.
    DW should be thought of as the same as 2h or MD.
    Its effectively a 2 slot weapon and even has its own stat block that is different from 1h.
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  18. Mugami

    Mugami Well-Known Member

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    Everyone, there has been an update to OP. Please read it. Its in red at bottom of OP Post.
     
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    MUSCLE WIZARD! is a joy and now returning to a neglected staff/arrow build. Is arrow still providing element for shoot skills? If anyone can confirm, that would be SWELL- THX

    I ask because my animation colors decidedly share my staff's element, even if no element is involved. You mentioned stability was recently removed from this build (a sadness), if element was pulled also- ANGRY, SO ANGRY!

    Elemental arrows was a big appeal, aside from the whole 'MUSCLE WIZARD! throws arrow hard' thing
     
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    Mugami Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Arrows won't give element. They use primary's element.
     
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    EVILOTTO Well-Known Member

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    Boo. Much hate. And thanks

    Ps- Your OP has arrows providing element to shot skills. No big whoop. I would have made one anywho. Just a heads up
     
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