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Wizard skills...

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Kaisyl, Dec 24, 2019.

  1. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    They stink. Only 2 useful skills (unless you count combo filler.

    1) The cat, the mp boost is nice, with the survival tree passive, you can say you have 600 MP as a base to play around with for now. The other factors make this garbage tho, couldnt there be position settings for this dumbass cat? It stands in AoE and doesnt move, when a spike trap hits it, the game says **** you! And makes it stick in perma flinch so ALL the skills in the wizard tree become useless. They could fix this by having the cat teleport to castor but, eh, we'll see what happens.

    2) Lightening... the damage is shit but its 0 MP but it has dumb balls cast time.... 1/3 the skill is garbage.

    3) Blizzard is good... for low level mobs that dont move. This skill needs to be buffed by having it inflict slow and storm should inflict stop in additon to suction but if storm inflicts stop, lances should change to be an elemental ailment effect rather than stop.

    4) Mana Crystal is the (almost) holy grail of useless of this skill tree. Holy hell this skill is useless. Yes you can cast it whilst cat is also casting magic but you have to consider these two factors: (a)It only restores 300 MP, (b) You can only place one at a time with a bonus of being useless when big brain kitty runs up right next to you. With decoy shot, there is almost no need for this skill, with basic ampr of 2k mp, there is almost no need for this skill, with the unique placement requirement and smartass cat, you will almost never use this skill, since you can only place ONE (1) you will most certainly not use this skill over mp recharge.

    5) Stone barrier is great for high defensive builds which are ironically the builds that do not need this skill at all except to maybe save ass against fractional attacks. Best for shield mages who are built int/vit/mtl anyways. Also... why does this magic skill scale with VIT and not matk or just raw HP?

    6) Meteor. Now, remember when sober analysis and fighters high were considered the most useless? With sober analysis winning out because of the multiple (badly implemented) ways to recover MP? Yeah. Meteor won. It fucking won the shittiest skill in the game award. For all mmorpgs ever released. Its an attack skill that doesnt hit. Let that sink in. Contemplate it. Now look back at life, remember the happy times and, if you cant?
    Just take some of the drugs the devs took when making this skill. Hard problem easy solution, yes?
     
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  2. Insane23

    Insane23 Well-Known Member

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    The cat's cuteness balance all these issues
     
  3. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    The cat needs to boil in lava. >_>
     
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    Insane23 Well-Known Member

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    how dare you resist its cuteness
     
  5. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    Dumb aint cute.
     
  6. RyeUshio

    RyeUshio The Blue Bull Super Likable Elite Member Epic Member

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    They should improve the cat's animation, like making it the embodiment of the attack. For example it'll be descending from above along with the lightning, then teleporting and crashing whilst doing meteor, etc. ^_^
     
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    Lol, meteor cat. XD
     
  8. Insane23

    Insane23 Well-Known Member

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    cat slavery isn't enough, make it suicide as well xd
     
  9. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    The cat should reverse meteor >_>
     
  10. The Lost One

    The Lost One THOT BEGONE AGENT Elite Member

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    What do you expect?xD when did they ever implement a less disappointing tree. I am no longer in hype as to what crusher skills gonna be. With the way it is rn, another big disappointment incoming.
     
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    I have to say lightning is actually fine. It has around the same cast time (cat wise) as finale so I just have the cat start it right before I finale. Sometimes if I can't finale due to lack of MP I do lightning before MP Charge so at least I'm dealing some damage over the 2-3 seconds. It doesn't take a lot of time for me to cast anyway.
     
  12. ẜἸoωer

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    Mana crystal is good if you want to help revived teammates have a good start to battle again. Meteor works really well with stationary bosses that have a large area (e.g Venena) or bosses that move around alot, I wouldn't depend it as a main DPS skill though, just additional and support damage. I don't think Wizard is for every mage build.
    I do agree with you the cat could have been a lot more smarter just like pets.
     
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    I beg to differ on Venena meteor. Of the three meteors, occasionally 1 in 3 hits (grazes) something (ie either pillar or Venena)

    And damage is subpar to Burst as a Finale mage.
    If this is part of Suzuki P's notion of "balance", I'm not surprised. When are people going to restart the meme mills?
     
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    So looking at this, keeping in mind their level restrictions. They're all pretty fine. They fix issues that have plagued new players for years. Except Meteor. F- Metoer. And are more like throw away spells for high level players. Which is good, as it's just bonus damage/effects, while you cast Finale or other long spells that may come in the future.

    Lvl 2 skills (unlock at lvl 35.)
    Lightning - Helps with casting during boss battles for mages, thanks to paralysis. Very good pre lvl-70 for mages. As magic gets interupted A LOT pre Magic: Storm.

    Blizzard - Pre-70 AoE skill for farming. We asked for this YEARS ago, to allow new players to farm leveling materials at their level. 4 years late, but better late than never. (Freeze is also a very nice status for a throw away skill you'll just cast in the background.)

    Lvl 1 Skills (Lvl 15 unlock)

    Familia - Pretty much free MP and decent matk alongside free Add Magic. Nothing to hate.

    Mana Crystal - Support skill at high level. Bout it honestly. Otherwise good for newbies who don't have AMPR/MP/MP charge/ect. Pretty meh.

    Lvl 3.) (Anyone remeber what level unlocks tier 3 Assassin?)
    Meteor - Iz ass. But it's ass you can hailmary for a random dizzy proc I guess? Doesn't take up any of your cast time, so you may as well cast it or blizzard or lightning. :/. Iz ass.

    Stone Barrier - Party skill. It's a good pick up, regardless of if your INT/VIT, INT/DEX, INT/STR, whatever. If you're the only person in your party with a staff, that's a free 2.5k hp for you or your party members. Which is enough to make or break you, or your party members from getting one shot in many circumstances. If someone is a Staff user and has VIT, let them use it instead, no biggy. Since most of the time, there's only one Staff user, and you'll get the benefit of it the rest of the time. Kinda like Knuckle users who take Chakra so your 1 vit Archer doesn't RIP randomly....but like, better.



    tl:dr - Skills are good for new players. (pre-70 Farming, casting, ect). Casting stuff during Finale and other long casting spells is cool. Get Stone Barrier you pigs. :v.
     
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    at least wizard skills better than hunter and priest skills tree
     
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  16. Jackal♧

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    priest skills are way better than wizard skills
     
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  17. Odin

    Odin O.o hello? Anyone there? Elite Member

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    I use Blizzard and Storm. I get to kill upto 50% more mob because of this catchment.
     
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  18. Kuroemon

    Kuroemon Well-Known Member

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    The first thing that comes to mind when finale and lightning have similar cast time: "Don't tell me there is a hidden mechanic (magic combination)" also goes for storm and blizzard...:eek: (I wish haha:p)

    Here you go:
    https://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/exploit-mana-crystal-using-dt-team-composition.49792/
    perhaps not useful for self but for others it could be 'fun':p
     
  19. Misspeld

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    If this happens it won't be wizard skills anymore but neko-mancer skills!!
     
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  20. Lucifere

    Lucifere Angel of Rebellion Elite Member

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    Friend what you could expect you can't give a finale skill for player with lvl 90 tier 4 skills of buff branches are the good ones. That include knight, priest, magic blade... etc
     

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