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The Infinite Mana Tank: Knuckle + Shield [Pure Tank Build] (Lv110 Cap)

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Precaria, Jun 24, 2016.

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Good Tank?

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  1. BK

    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

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    If sword user, hf, trigger save, guardian save, sanctuary swift, rage sword swift 1mp
     
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    i) replaced with what 3 kick,, !? because i don't use skill 3 kick
     
  3. mayam

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    Reset dont take quick draw take triple kick instead simple ;) its useless anyway
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    Or for bosses that you can stun holy fist+guardian(save)+sanctuary(swift)+shield canon(swift)
     
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    Will this build still be strong if i make my stats 5:1 on Dex and Vit
     
  5. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Why would you want dex on brawler it hardly increases the atk and accuracy is useless when u use drills
     
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    May I ask i can't see any name of Guardian skill on Skill Tree can someone help me

    Thanks before
     
  7. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    You need to buy the lvl4 shield skill from library, to do that you need to be lvl110. Be sure to max it.
     
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    Thanks Sir :)
     
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  9. PawnNM

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    Albero shield vs Tortuga shield. Which one is better?
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Marble shield ^~^
     
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    I'm confused. What is the definition of good tank actually is? The one with highest HP (as per Precaria's Pure Tank equipment) or the one with highest guard rate as suggested by many forum members?

    What is the best equipment for tank actually is? Can someone list it out?
     
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    There is no best tank because we have limitations of what we can do with current gear and 310stat points to allocate, if u want high hp like mine (33.5k hp) get as much res% as u can aswell, refining ur shield, armour and add, there are gears with res% but thats up to ur personal preference, i dnt like buffing my tank up with pots etc because i like mine to be based on what ive actually got, theres alot of builds u can have for a tank as long as u can survive and hold agro, some can do decent dmg some cannot
     
  13. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Ok thats a very good question and i have ton of things to say about it so please bear with me and try to read everything.

    A tank got two main jobs to do:-
    1.) Gain the aggro of the boss/es
    2.) Be able to survive huge hits
    The reason i suggested marble shield instead of albero is coz i am a brawler tank myself and i tried precarias build if you copy pasted his skill build you will notice u cant hold aggro against fu spammers at all which is the no.1 point that i gave.
    Marble shield gives more aggro, to be able to hold against any sort of spammer is one of the main duties of a tank.
    I myself try to keep 45%+ aggro all the time so that i never need to spam a combo.

    For no.2 job it really just depends on your preference.
    My personal preference is 100% resistance 75% guard rate and 40% guard power which is approx 75-80% reduced guarded hits so that i can use sanctuary with the lowest hp possible (my hp is only 15k).
    You can go for pure hp based tank if you think you can keep sanctuary active all the time (which is impossible without supporter/spamming)
    Now never forget that fractional/fatal atks that most of the mini bosses in game possess have increased dmg based on how high your hp is.
    Think of this situation:-
    --->Your hp is 30k but a fatal hit worth 20% maxhp hits you which will in turn do 6k dmg to you.
    --->6k dmg will require you to use 3 revita4 to completely heal
    --->but if your max hp is 15k it will only do 3k
    --->3k is easily healable by revita4
    --->You can also cast mini heal but then you will also require decent CSPD to make it fast enough
    So in short what tanks need is a balance of all three and not focus on any one. 20k+hp and 60%+ resistance is preferable if you are gonna get light armor for evasion and cant get guard rate.
    There are certain pots that increase defences further but they should only be used for ult gem runs on nightmare not everywhere coz they are usually costly. But i guess some people have the habit of "assuming" that i use them everywhere.

    I will get into more details of spamming later on.
    Or decide to go a balanced route with all three parameters.

    Aside from the two jobs there are plenty of other duties that we have to complete in order to make a "perfect" tank.
    1.)kiting a boss in a certain position so that it doesnt move much (that also includes preventing dps members from dying)
    2.)keeping the proration of a bosses to highest lvl to allow for the highest hits from the dps pt members (high aspd and crt is needed for this) (so that also means you are supposed to spam less and auto attack more)
    3.)crowd control, interrupting bosses before they can execute their strong skills
    3.)Giving party additional support buffs (war cry being a huge aggro generator also boosts atk by 10%) (yes you can double as a tank and a supporter theres nothing wrong with that)
    ^ Why do such extra stuff you may ask. The simple reasoning behind it is if you are looking for party as a tank you are gonna replace a dps member of the party if you are gonna do that you better make sure that the run actually becomes faster than that with another dps char.
    Coz after all a tank which makes the run slower is better kicked out ^^
    Of course not saying that my tank is the best and can do all of these, nope not at all i am focused on testing hidden numbers so much that i got no time for experiencing actual crowd control.

    Finally let me give you my thoughts about precarias build. Precarias build got way too much focus on mp recovery, sure mp recovery is important for tanks but theres also other stuff like holding aggro and prorating. Quick draw is totally unnecessary for tanks and to leave guardian(highest aggro generator) at lvl1 its just making it even more difficult for itself.

    Thats it from me, i hope you took the time to read everything that i said. Tyvm and happy tanking.
     
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    Thank you for the amazing reply. I did read all of it. Now I have understood the main function of a tank. I'm changing my build.
    My next step would be:
    1) Change most of the equipment into something with high aggro%, gr% and gp%.
    2) Aiming for Guardian Lv10.
    3) Prolly Warcry too?

    One point from your reply that seems to bother me is tanks that makes the run slower, will be definitely be kicked. Has dps become so OP that they don't need tanks now? We only have warcry to justify our position in a party? I don't think the 10% atk buff is comparable to another dps. Another dps would easily hit 70k-200k dmg whereas could only add 100-200 to their attacks.
     
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    Actually it more so depends on the boss.

    For example boss like jade scrader or nure its better if you have tank in your party.
    ---> for nure you can kite the boss in a position so that it can not move by dashing
    ---> for jade its obvious coz its so strong and most dps cant attack properly if they are being chased by eggs.
    ---> for scrader you can interrupt its aoes and also take the hits when it turns on to red mode also prorating to up the dps a tiny bit.
    ---> theres also ultimate week bosses where we need to beat a certain boss in ultimate difficulty for a certain time.
    ---> multiple mini boss farming is also a form of battle where tanks can be used since we can not break the mini bosses the only fast way to get their xta is to farm multiple 3-4 of them at once. (e.g. Multiple death colon, sg, don yeti, arco, gk) for me personally i think sword tanks have better mastery over multiple boss tanking because of their aoe tempest not saying knux tank cant do it its just a bit more difficult to manage proration of multiple bosses together.
    ---> also any event boss on high difficulty ^^. I am having fun tanking potum raid and be able to do successful 26sec run

    Similiarly theres also examples of bosses that you should NOT use your tank at.
    ---> for td its better to have full dps party that have medium high hp coz the main reason is that you only have a first few seconds where you can do full dps after which your dmg reduces.
    ---> any low lvl boss in general like roga on normal difficulty and such unless you want rank balance coz one person is hogging all of them.

    So in short prorate to up the dmg by spamming party, prevent party from getting interrupted, add a buff or two and there you are possibly better to be there than a dps player who spams just as much as the others slowing the battle down and also dying if hit by a large attack coz he got too much aggro from spamming.

    About war cry i didnt mean to say that you must have it, i was just showing how much more useful a tank can be.
    In the end if you are able to make the runs in less than a minute possible then it doesnt matter how you can do it, and you well deserve praise and position in a party for saving the dps member's revitas.
     
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    Why use quick draw lvl 10 ?
     
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    Precaria already quit at the time when new skills were released so i guess he didnt have the time to test and see that there are skills that are way more important to take instead of quick draw :)
     
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    Recovery 100 mp if skill used, right?
     
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    Whenever mp is consumed by an attacking skill have 30-35% chance to recover 100mp.
    Though its not worth taking for a pure tank as high mp is not required for tanking.
     
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    How much lvl we need on guardian to out-tank The Gunfus? Is Lvl 1 is rlly enuf?
     
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