HB luk as farmer, your thoughts?

The entire point of a Luk Char is not about being able to kill a mob, but being able to farm them efficiently. That's why I only consider the number of mobs killed a minute and the simplicity of a combo.

LUK mage used to: Finale > mp Charge > maximizer with a wide range aoe
LUK halberd is : Dive impact > war cry of S x2 with a wide range aoe

and you LUK cf is 5 steps with a lot of wasted time and with a straight line aoe. Now you see my point. More over, you need a merc to accelerate the mp generation. That's not good for a farming party because we don't have space for merc.

My point is not about ability to kill, but ability to farm. If not for farming, what is even the point of a LUK char? Our discussion here is entirely about the ability of LUK halberd to farm after Finale got nerfed. And it's evidential that even before Finale got nerfed, LUK Halberd were way better at farming. Taiwanese players have been using this method for a long time and now we just learned about it.

Please read this comment.

 

quick aura

 

it's a given. but it's not part of the small routine. Here is the reason why:
- before farming, you can use quick aura to lower your hp to <50% (if you have a lot, then even lower).
- while farming, sometimes your hp regen back up, you will need to use quick aura again. But this is not frequently, more like, every 10-15 mins. Your hp will be maintained low most of the time because you constantly engage with mobs and never really let natural regen have time to heal you.

I am still testing how much HP we need to both survival and efficient farming, but my rough estimation is about 7k+ hp. So when you lower you hp to 3k, you won't die from mobs, and you can set to use weak revita at less than 1k, which will heal you a bit but won't make you go past 3k. Note that because mobs die in 1 hit, so there won't be many survive long enough to actually attack you, especially if you have 100 crit and farming low evasion mobs.

 

You say that auto-attacking to recover MP w/ decoy shot is inefficient but if you think about the time you will spend on using Warcry of Struggle 2 times to recover the cost of Dive Impact is around 4 to 5 secs... but 1 auto-atk on bow user w/ 1.1k aspd is 1s. 4 autos will need 4-5secs too, and tada, CF cost already recovered. xD Meanwhile HB needs to maintain a health of BELOW 50% to ger max MP recovery with Warcry of Struggle.

Also, I never said anything about efficiency in the first place. I just said T4 AoE skills like CF on a Luk char is enough for farming mobs.

I used a merc simply because i hate pain. There's also the fact that I dont wanna have to dodge attacks when farming, especially when i'm on my own.

In my case, if we removed the Merc, i dont kill a mob w/ my Luk Archer's auto-attacks, fine. but that just means i can complete 4 auto attacks on just one mob as well. That makes me able to start the CF stacks accumulation anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ In any case, we still reach the same conclusion. I CAN FARM ANYTHING W/ CF.

 

then let's agree to disagree, because I have a very different definition of farming. In my definition of farming, I must be able to kill as many mobs as possible in the most efficient way possible. It was the same definitions a lot of people used for NC farming, bitter nut farming, mitta farming (before the mana nerf), mithril ore farming.

And I can see your definition of farming is to kill the mobs with a Luk char.

About the below 50% hp (it's actually 55%, but no matter) please read this post right above your last post, i made the important part bold this time:

 

Dude, I never had a problem with your way. I just pointed out that there is an alternative to this. And there is. Don't be so uptight. Besides, you should realize that you are trying to be efficient w/ the most inefficient stat distribution build in the game.

 

sorry, i don't mean to be offensive. Just that what I understood about farming and your definition were different from the beginning, so I wanted to point that out.

Also can you please elaborate how it is the most inefficient stat distribution build in game? I don't really get this part.

 

Luk characters are inherently inefficient. Their main stat (luk) never scale to any weapon type for any form of DPS required to kill a monster thru normal means. Just take a look at your sample #2. you are describing a situation where aria is using a lv164 luk HB farmer equipped w/ a event limited weapon to "efficiently" farm Lv112 mobs. Same goes for your NC farming char, a Lv70 char using event limited weapon to farm Lv49 mobs.
You have to be over-leveled, over-skilled, and overgeared to gain any form of "efficiency".


But then, there's lil ole me, geared w/ Non-optimal equips, Lv134 Luk Archer/Sniper "inefficiently" Killing Lv141+ monsters. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Quantity vs quality huh... It does bring the issue of leveling up tho. And also the flexibility of changing farmsite(i for one dont want to farm pova for the rest of my days) elemental damage can be easyly swapped by arrows. Tanking a boss can be easyly covered by mercs and pets(for solo runs at least)

 

well, I would just call it "geared to farm". Just like in real life, farmers would buy farming equipment worth of hundreds of thousands dollars to increase their productivity (the wonder of modern industrialization) instead of just cutting and planting the crops themselves. It scales up with the investment you put in. The efficiency is factually increased by investing more into the farming character. A lv70 luk mage can storm NC easily, and gains a lot of NC in a short time with fairly cheap equipment, but it doesn't scale up to lv112 mobs, and then level 144 mobs.

People used to have luk mage finale those mobs, but now after the update, Luk mage will only get themselves killed doing so. That's why we came up with Luk HB, a scalable method of farming that can earn you a lot of mats at a short time. And for it to work, you need to invest in good equipment. There is no other known alternative that can achieve the same productivity. I call it industrialization. The investor would expect return of interest after a short time, and then capitalize in full after that.

Of course, "farmers" can also do it the old fashion way, which human have been doing for thousands of years, by using really cheap, not advanced technology to farm for low productivity. But I think that's inefficient, and justified so. CF a few mobs every 8 seconds, or just having a 2hs merc to 1 shot each mob, is obviously not the industrial way.

It all comes down to cost and productivity. I remember the first time I started Toram 2 years ago, my first char was a luk mage, just to storm farming NC in order to earn enough for my future. It was a small investment and the income was good at the time. Now NC is not as profitable as eb, or many other things we can farm, but a LUK mage with storm also has became an obsolete method of industrialized farming. To earn that new income, i would have to up my game and invest into something else, which in this case is Luk HB.

I don't think LUK CF is an investment at all. You may use it to kill bosses (I have a TEC CF, which is basically the same as a LUK CF) and get a bit more boss drop, but LUK Finale is still doing a good job at that (maybe even better if you compare damage). Using LUK CF to farm high level mobs is too slow, and you may want to use that time to do something more profitable, like killing bosses (york or minotaur). That's my entire point of efficiency.

Please let it be known that I have nothing against you nor you idea. But I work with numbers most of my time, and prefer an objective assessment of a farming method over a personal preference. And I think that in a building suggestion thread like this, we should just work with numbers and facts to give readers an objective view of what they want to do with their time. That's why I actively criticized LUK CF from the efficiency perspective.

 

Man,now im pretty confused whether i should switch to halb luk or stay at mage
Anyone can help me decide?

 

Ask yourself, which profession you want to focus on?
1. Farming high level mobs to sell mats and eb: stable income and steady market. This suits a luk halberd for how fast it can farm those.
2. Farming bosses for boss drops: not stable income but you can win big. This suits a luk mage with finale more than a luk halberd because halberd is too close to boss and too squishy. You are more exposed to danger than a mage. Farming bosses with a Luk CF is also a viable method of farming, especially when you mastered the use of snipe. But it's not a straightforward class as finale mage, and you need a lot more personal evasion skills to maintain a good damage contribution than just sleepwalking nukes like finale.

Either path requires some investment into gears and xtals for faster farming.

 

Why event gears? Noble Glaive, a very common gear, gives the same crit rate of +30 crit. I achieved 100% crit rate with pure common gears.
Edited: No offense on whoever using event gears. But just in the case for those who prefer common gears, they are already out there.

 

I'm gonna ask it again, if you were to make a luk hb, you would max str first before luk right?

 

Wow,I’m glad people here start to discuss , and thanks to people who would give this build a try
This build is made for farming strong mobs,and we are not doing boss farming,nothing to do with averge/max dmg
(If u wanna farm boss then u will need many investments in a luk char)
We don’t need 1m dmg to kill mobs when they only got 25k hp around,
So farmers choose skills whose Minimum damage can kill as many as possible in a period of time, invest luk for more drop, and improve mp recovery for long farm.
Actually,any aoe skill could be used for farmers.
Storm was the best choice, but it has met its limit. That's why we need alternatives.
It doesn’t matter if u don’t hav much budget , I ve showed cheap gears still work.
Lil hb(BOSS DROP) and Paraso Choco(valentines event) are good choice for people who cant afford stat weapon(base atk 367/387, fire/light element,+25/30crt, much easier to reach 100 crit)

My friend has made more test on farming with other aoe skills
These are made before skill balance ,and base on 1hit ,gears not showed.
Different skill meets different requirements for 1hit , it’s not hard to figure it out when u are experienced farmer( or just do some test)
Hope there will be more interestng builds in the future
1. 2H/Sonic blade, 2m32s, 122 kill

2. 2H/Sword tempst , 2m30s ,101 kill

3. Bowgun sub md/ Crossfire, 2m35s, 121 kill

4.MD/ Finale ,2m27s ,101 kill

 

2H Sonic Blade looks unexpectedly useful as well.

 

I suppose ill go with Halberd since farming high lvl mob appeals for me.
Still,im gonna make luck mage too in case where pt only accept storm (Like ss farming)

 

I use dive impact as well,, let's farm solo together
But it's almost impossible

 

I just saw in page 1, the video of halb farmer, and now my farmer turns to be a halb now greate build.

 

Has anyone tested the effectiveness of halb farmers to farm mana(or other mats for that matter) at places other than cassy? :v

I tried testing at comraby with just me and a friend. Halb+mage and typically got 2 md per min. Rate feels similar to cassy. So should probably end up giving more with full pt.

If anyone interested in helping confirm or ideas for better spots lmk! :'D