HB luk as farmer, your thoughts?

Thx for ur opinion I hav made some corrections.I added some comments on mp issue.
And here is skill data from amino(storm and dive impact). Hope this will do some help

 

ure the fucking kid here
ever heard of warcry of struggle?
u posting like you know stuff but u dont even know what ure talking about

 

this is the same guy who posted the "katana nerf" thread, nobody takes him serious anymore. He is incapable of reading and rational thinking.

 

I tried and for every wave, the 7-metre-radius aftershock of Dive Impact always lure some mobs to me without hurting them. Most died but some survived, dunno why. Is it because the skill missed to hit them? (My crit rate is not 100% yet, just migrating from being a mage lol. I'll find more appropriate gears later on, I guess.)

 

because you missed. I guess this build really needs 100 crit rate.

 

Ah, I see. Thank you.
Recently got an ns Noble Glaive from a mob.
Maybe I'll try equipping with Assasin Garb and Pirate Bandana, and consider the sub weapon and special gear later on.

 

So, in a nutshell the main points in building this is:
Full crit(you basically crap your pants if you miss)
Mp regen(you cant pull an all nighter if you lack stamina)
Damage over luck priority(cant farm on things you cant kill, make sense)

With that in mind i may need to dig cc for a while.

 

We have some evidences to say otherwise:
- Full crit is not needed for low level mob farming (that Storm mages usually do)
- no need MP regen because War Cry of Struggle can generate 400mp in 2 seconds.
- Full LUK, rest STR can still 1 hit kill high level mobs, just need elemental +S weapon. Even without it, a non-elemental +E can still almost sure kill them.


Here are the results and build suggestions from the several tests by me and my friends:

1. Test 1:
a. Research question: Can it farm NC at level 70 and how comparable is it to storm? (because luk mages start at lv70 with storm)
b. Setup:
- a new, fresh account, 1 char at lvl70.
- Stat distribution: 176 LUK, 1 STR (basically all LUK).
- 98 skill points, but only uses 96.
- Parasol Choco Lance 407 ATK, no refine
- basic gear, no xtal, no atk%, just some mp bonus enough to give 1200mp.
- no food buff
c. Result:
- can 1 hit kill all Nightmare Roar in 7m radius with both attack. Missed some (total crit was 65) but survived easily.
- Comparing to a LUK mage, in 1 hours, I got about 25% more NC. the killing rate seems to be faster (didn't time it) with halberd, and the ALL LUK seems to give more drops too.
d. Conclusion:
- Halberd wins this round. I recommend LUK HB Dive Impact over LUK storm for low level mobs farming.
e. How did I farm?
- Quick aura until less than 55% hp.
- Spam Dive Impact > War Cry of Struggle > War Cry of Struggle. They are not in a combo, so combo tag. (If i put Dive Impact in a combo, mobs may get killed before Dive Impact can activate, it will be a waste of mp for the first skill). Note that War Cry of Struggle is 1s cast for each.
2. Test 2: (Credit to @+Aria Kanzaki+ )
a. Research question: Can it farm higher level mobs?
b. Set up:
- LV 164
- stat distribution: Full luk (255) rest STR (180)
- Weapon: Tolerancia 402 +E, non elemental
- Full Crit (I think, maybe Aria can come verify this)
- food buff: all of them! (maybe)
c. Result:
- 30k-40k damage for Owl at Monster Forest (not sure about the combo tag) -> 1 hit kill
- 15-23k damage on stone -> sometimes they didn't die, but they got 100% Dazzled for 10s, so not a problem.
d. Conclusion:
- With Elemental HB +S, those high level mobs can all be 1 hit killed.
- No comparison to mage's finale, but we all know how finale is nerfed for the 3rd hit and how slow it is to cast, comparing to the 70 kills/minute of Dive Impact.
- No comparison to Storm because it's not a viable skill for farming high level mobs.
e. How did he do it?
- ask him. idk. or figure out yourself.

3. Build suggestion:
<Will post in the future in another thread>

 

I finally achieved up to 100% crit rate, but still the problem wasn't completely solved. Found out later that the mobs I was farming, Grape Gelatin, can evade (didn't notice earlier). Maybe this is the downside of this build, as mages would have no problem dealing with evasive mobs at all.
Anyway, I think I'll stick with this build. The ability to OHKO high-HP mobs, which I do prefer, is really obvious.Thanks @Caithe and @_nobody_ so much for kindly sharing a great build.

 

Try npc limited halberd.. parasol u will get 100% crit

 

READ THIS:

Oh I didn't realize the evasion thingy. haha, I guess that's just how it is. But I'm glad you joined the Luk HB train!

 

Okay, If Full Luk w/ a sprinkling of STR would work, I think that any Tier 4 AOE Skill might work. I have a Lv134 Refiner w/ 180 luk >90+dex that doubles as a Sniper for low level bosses. I have Cross Fire Lv5 on it, which kills Lv138 Melon Potum and Lv139 Stones. and I am not using FC arm. I have A7CR1616 on it w/ +250MP xtal.

I'll try Mitta Tret sometime and let you know if I can farm w/ it.

 

not all tier 4 since we are here because finale got shat on hahah.

I wouldn't recommend CF for 3 reasons:
- it's not a real AOE. Unlike finale, storm, or dive impact that have super wide range AOE, Crossfire is a single line.
- It's slow as heck. The cast time of CF is really really slow comparing to Storm or Dive Impact.
- No viable mp recharging skill. Decoy shot is not going to generate enough mp for your CF spamming. For HB, War Cry of Struggle can generate 400mp in 2s, and for mage, mp charge + maximizer is the ultimate mp recharge move.

But I still wanna see your results tho.

 

It's slow as heck if you want to count to 5 stacks. But on Crossfire Lv5, you only reach to 3. Heck, sometimes I dont even go for 3 and fire at 2.

As for MP regen concerns, Quickdraw Lv5, Decoy Shot 10, 2kMP(440mp thanks to friends who cook MP food recipe), and AMPR help from +10AMPR food cooked by another friend, along with a Quick Aura Lv1 buff had been enough for me to cover both decoy shot and crossfire costs.

 

no, i was talking about 1 stack, not 3 stack. First, it has a cast time before 0 stack, then +1 second to get 1 stack, total of 2 seconds. That's VERY slow comparing to Dive Impact and Storm. Dive impact and stomr can do 70 mobs/ minute because of fast cast time and overlap after effect. CF is one time only has 1 hit, not multiple hits like them.

I would like to see how you cast 20 CF a minute and still have enough mp. Any less than that, you won't reach the amount of mobs can be farmed by Storm and Dive Impact. Heck, even with that, I don't think you can reach that amount.

But i still want to see how it goes of course. I could be wrong after all.

 

actually its more than 2sec with wcos motion speed

 

true, forgot about that motion speed. It's pretty quick tho. So let's say 400mp in 4s. That's faster than mp charge already.

 

I see. You were actually talking about the animation. The thing is, Dive Impact also has an animation lag between animation of the Initial hit and the 2nd channeled hit, and even w/ swift, you can only get to 4secs in between cast.

Also, using "how many could you kill w/ 1 stk of CF" as a basis for comparison to the "Initial Hit+ Channeled 2nd Hit" is kinda unfair. You're better off comparing 1stk CF to Dive Impact - the 2nd hit. :V

This is how much damage CF can deal on Mitta Tret. It's definitely one shot at 3stks of CF. with a 7k Atk Merc, you can kill one Mitta Tret in 2 hits, which is 80 ampr(w/o ampr boost from food) minimum w/ decoy shot and 2kMP.
Meanwhile, killing 4 Mitta with auto-attacks and your merc is enough time to get 400mp for CF.
So this means you can do routine of:
1 1mp Decoy combo
2 CF
3 kill 4 things
4 launch CF
5 repeat step 2 to 4 until Decoy expires
6 do 1 to 5.

Here are my character's equipment and stats

Spoiler

My luck character is not an optimal build if you notice. My weapon has goofy stats, all my xtals are all MP+250, and I'm using Philosopher's Ring. And yet, using CF kills mobs 6 levels higher than my luk sniper. xD

But hey, my point here is, as long as you're using a tier4 AOE that's not Finale, i think any of them would work on a luk char.

 

400mp for 2 secs? did you use gsw? As short as the cast duration is, its not that fast without gsw

 

Funny thing about hb farming, the attack cycle is twice as fast as storm cycle. Using that as a skill training tool for my pet, not bad development, and i can grind them passives with ease. The funny part is my pet currently on the grind is a perro, both master, pet and other party member are jumping up and down like popcorn kernels. Had to quit the party, it just look silly but darn effective. Have to get used to it first without rofl.