Toram Lore: Is Iruna obligatory to understand? is it worth playing?

Welp, as clear as the title is:
Is Iruna really that required for me to understand Toram Lore? (This will be a little long, and I'm not very 'happy' so be patience).

I have been on toram for 3-4 years and only recently I discovered that Iruna is Toram world but 1000 years after the mysterious cataclysm.

I don't want to dive too much on Personal details, but let's just say my life is shit, and Toram world was MY real world (Escape world) for a long time, even to this day but not so much.
Why I'm saying this, well, I don't know if it's just me, But when discovering the new Main quests, seeing these ruins, these destroyed cities and mainly eldenbaum ruins, I just can't help but feel an 'Undeserved nostalgia'... I never have been there in Iruna, and in fact I feel as I think the Main character would feel, Discovering how his world was beautiful and how all was ruined in a disaster, how some things were lost forever, I think that's how *The Archeologist* feels, discovering the past and all.

I am personally and emotionally attached to Toram and it's lore, that being said, here's the title discussion:

I Know Iruna is 1000 years before, But do I NEED to play it? like, in the *If you don't play you will miss a lot of toram after story*?

I have been playing Iruna these days because, honestly last Toram Update was very disappointing for me and I wanted to finally try out Iruna.
I'm currently stuck at Lv71 and bored, I *H A T E* This game, I do feel some kind emotion toward it, it's the past of toram after all, but GOD this game is terrible in so many ways, I'm not a profissional Critic or anything but, I haven't played a game that presented me one new bad design problem or structural defect each minute I walked. It's amazing.
The game is PACKED with problems and as much as I am Determined to understand the world that came before Toram I can't keep the pace with this game, just.. my GOD.. who did this and WHY.. this is not a 2005 game and therefore 'it's ok because lack of tech', NO, it came on 2013 and kept Updating, technology was good enough to make this game better and even if they Were lacking on Tech, or money or whatever else, The game is now one of the most popular JRPG and I'm SURE they have the money to fix ALL the amateur problems they didn't bother to fix.
I don't care about the graphics, they are ugly indeed but they have it's special charm, I quite like it in fact. but god it's so bad.

It doesn't give ANY information about ANYTHING. If you want to know where to Level up, where to find a certain item or get a certain skill level up (In iruna skills are a reward from quests and Book droped by monsters), Your ONLY option is to Close Iruna, go to google and research, Research, Research and research, and since most likely you won't fully understand what was explained since you need some stent of experience with the game you will need to close game>Research>Open game and Test multiple Exhaustive times.

The maps not having the shinning Green.. cube? Sphere? that flying shit near a map entrance that toram has)) that shows you the name of the next map.
It is not that big if a problem, it's bad, you will enter the same wrong place a lot of times and getting lost is the easiest thing Ever there, but it doesn't even have the "Atlas" of All the maps and the paths you need to take to get somewhere.
You need to Memorize, Each, Single, Path. Each single map portal you need to enter and if you get lost you are fucked.
What's the point of being an ADVENTURER who can't explore the maps because I may lose myself and get stuck in high level maps? it's ridiculous.

Bosses are way higher level than you for no reason, In toram you always have one boss or another that you can farm and level up so you can beat the next boss. In Iruna the boss will Critically hit your face and kill you until you are 20 levels ahead of him, their attacks are unavoidable so good LUK killing that shit being underleved.

And No, I won't ask to be Boosted by other High Level players, I am proud of having all I have in toram conquered by my own efforts and patience (sometimes, angry determination xD) and I hate to depend on others. That is both good and bad because more and more being boosted by the Vets seems as the best and most efficient way to level up, and I hate it.

And.. The last drop that made me honestly question if ASOBIMO isn't actually EA Behind the scenes...
You need to PAY to sell the things you farm on your own effort to other players, You need to Pay for the economy system. What. The. FUCK?
This is the most shameless bullshit I have seen Asobimo do, NO RPG player based economy should have part of it's ESSENTIAL economy system blocked behind a pay wall. This made me instantly drop the game just yesterday as I internally raged on how ridiculous and unjustifiable it is.
Asobimo want's me to Pay, so I can Pay other players. I need to Pay to pay.

Asobimo, I love you (hate you but love you), but this is the most greedy shit I have seen you do. I would love to spend Money on Orbs in toram and getting some avatars, not for the avatars itself but ratter because I love the game and want to support the developers, as a way to pay back all the good stuff I experienced to them.
You don't get my Money by ANGERING me, with this half ass game called Iruna. This is one of the least and most self harmable marketing strategies that there are. Get money making the players happy, not annoyed that the only way to Really play is paying you.

When I tried to use {Shout} in chat and saw the pop up "Not available for Free play" I swear I could see the Red Flag that it is Wave hysterically.

I'm still willing to play this game, a little because I want to have fun there (even though I just described how it's virtually impossible, at least for me).
But mostly, not because I hope the game can be better, but To play this the furstest I can so to have even more arguments and proof that this game is garbage. I'm willing to spend Hours playing just to prove that this game is Shit out of Pure spite.
And curiosity to why the Black army of the Dark Domain is.. "Evil"? I thought they were good gods and divine creatures but apparently they were buttholes before getting kicked back to dark domain by the Adventurer. Lol. Would love to find out if the next boss wasn't fucking Lv90 And exp wasn't so bad.

Still, Is there some valid reason to why I should play Iruna, not for the reason above, but because at some point, after fainting from farm exhaustion and unfair gameplay I will reach a point that things become better (I guess?), or that it is worth playing for the main quests, or to see the last updates by myself, whatever.

I would like to have someone reveal to me that, somehow I'm wrong and there's X and Y things I can do to have fun or make the game enjoyable (Not fair, until asobimo remove the paywall to the boards/selling stalls it will never be fully fair and you will have to do amazingly boring long farming to keep on the shadows of paying players. RPG where player economy is payed.. fucking hilarious atrocity).

I have this little, atom sized-Hope that this game can be good, and am open to someone convincing me. At least for the Lore.

That was my shit show. Enjoy.


TL;DR> Iruna is bullcrap after vomit, only the story is worth it, anti-newbie Pay 4 Fun game, Toram>Iruna x1000000, Asobimo is secretly EA.

 

Well, I like Iruna and Toram, although I find Toram much more interactive and fun. Still, I grew up on Iruna and I can say 100%, non biased or anything that it's reaaaallly not newbie friendly. You can easily get to 70-100 by just having a higher lvl kill yadre/3i or moss golem for you, due to the exp mechanic you're actually helping them get bonus exp. However soloing mq is insanely hard if you're new to the game. Equipment def works different than in Toram for example. Every 1 def from armor and additional = -1% dmg taken, although refine on add and arm does work the same in both game; only difference is that you can only refine to +9 in iruna, then you have to gamble on super refine which resets refinement value but permanently increases the def/atk of gear.

As for your economic distress and about stall; new players can find groupchats for Raids (Mainly Sofya 140) where they can get elemental beads, to then make them Bead Crystals, and then make Empty Crystas that should net you enough spina to buy some starter equipment, depending on your job (Don't choose ench because its one of the priciest jobs out there, and its not very forgiving of you not having optimal gear). As for stall, it is a shtty paywall, but if you're interested in big money it isn't necesary. It has a cap of 100m per item so anything that is actually worth it can't be sold there. And besides, there are groupchats. In a Specific trade chat you can display what you sell and what you want in return, and it's always shown before a potential buyer goes in. And also Rokkoko is kinda like Sofya, no matter what lvl you are you'll always be there sooner or later.

For the shout part, Say in Iruna goes further than Torams Say, and there are just 5 Servers as oposed to some servers + channels within each.

To progress through bosses you do kinda rely a lot on equipment and having a pet to revive you whenever you die; you can get pet from daily log in or by decorating your island and feeding a stray. It really does suck that everything of what is important to play the game isn't said by the game x.x

Aaaaand finally, about the story. Not much really. There are bits here and there that feel different when you play Iruna before Toram. Like meeting Currone's ghost, seeing Kunon all grown up because she was but a child when you meet her in Iruna. Obligaus looks the same, still an alcoholic excpept Schlingel isn't there to try to kill him. Seeing Almas statue in HD, I still think a vagabond we met in Ethos fortress is Freedos' son or something, knowing about the catura and thinking where are the other species.

In regards to the dark domain bit, they are good, it's just that Vatendeth wants to give the world of the living to his waifu and so goes behind her back in such operation. By the time you beat him and resolve whats gone apparently the message didn't reach the other generals so you fight them as well.

I'm still expecting us to go to Bleudraf at some point since it is said that Bleudraf and Iruna are two sides of the same coin, and who knows maybe Agni, Aldi or Agna(I probably got them wrong but oh well) are still alive and in charge.
In short, Iruna sucks if you're new, and if you're not you might find it fun. I still do but Toram lets me be more creative as well as being more interactive. If Some functions from Iruna came to Toram I'd be so happy; like groupchats or the better auto walk system Iruna has with actual pathfinding so I can chat while I run to a boss.

 

Lore of both games is vastly different from one to the other. The YOU in iruna is not YOU in toram. Your only link is a rough roadmap of what you did before nevertheless it is your DESTINY.(same can be said in every faceless h-anime protagonist lol)

With toram as my starting point, i myself puke at the graphics in iruna after trying it once. Lore of two worlds maybe linked but it is upto the player's interest if one would like to dive it both(iirc the story of iruna is not done yet. @_@)

 

U can just watch iruna's storyline on utube, so u can just know the story without playing the game.

 

Lol It still baffles me Iruna still gets updates.

 

In some ways for me Iruna>Toram and Toram>Iruna.
I basically played Iruna first and grew up with it.
I honestly never followed the lore in either though to be honest. Only certain parts ever caught my interest.
Iruna
-Prod feels more nice
-Group Chats
- Has a variety of classes
- Bishops
-Pets can pick up items
-After a certain point I can pretty much do a lot more on my own. Depending on your gear and what class you choose.
- I personally like that there is no big map showing everything.
- Events are kind of stale(Haven't tried Torams yet)
- I can avoid needing a pt
Toram
-Mq is easy to solo
- Skills tress i'm not a big fan of. It just confuses me. One person says use this another that. This build or that build. I can't win with anyone. I'm not really a creative type of person.
-Everything is affordable
-Graphics 9/10
-Farming a boss feels pretty pointless unless you are doing gem runs, or your just a really lucky person.
-Ways to make spina feels kinda limited to me personally. Even if I find a way prices go phew to where I'm not even really making a profit at all.
-I can't really avoid needing a pt.
Toram is a game where I feel defeated and lost at times. I just try to avoid being the center of someones insults or rage.

 

I definitely feel jaded about always having to find a PT. Power scaling is kinda wack in Toram. I could never get into iruna. The graphics were just too ugly. I hope we get more classes like Iruna has.

 

I mean, I want to know what happened in Iruna to know why certain events happen in toram, know the gods before all the cataclysm shit happened, etc..
Sadly the story is locked behind insane unfair bosses.

 

Kinda sad to know the only way to enjoy the game's Lore is watch another High level Youtuber play it. That's not fun at all, and I like to explore the details of the lore (for making theories for my own satisfaction :v), and youtubers only present the update, don't look much at the map and skip some parts of the MQ story.
Even if one Youtuber presents MQ perfectly... what's the point? What a boring way to discover a game by someone else's effort..

What an amazing game.. Even to know the story I have to get boosted by High level players xD

 

Yes, That's whats most amazing for me, the game is terrible and only the old paying vets have something to do, and with all these terrible problems the game is still alive.
Like, Wasn't Toram supposed to be the Sequence AND Death sentence of Iruna? Just wtf..

 

I really don't know how to use this site's tools..

"You can easily get to 70-100 by just having a higher lvl kill yadre/3i or moss golem for you, due to the exp mechanic you're actually helping them get bonus exp."

* well.. So being boosted is really the only way to lvlup 70-100 huh... That's.. not fun for me but I get it. Dependency here we goo ,-,)
And how EXP system works exactly?

"As for your economic distress and about stall; new players can find groupchats for Raids (Mainly Sofya 140) where they can get elemental beads, to then make them Bead Crystals, and then make Empty Crystas that should net you enough spina "

*Reveal the secrets for me please. I don't know how raids work. and I don't know if lvl73 is enough.

"For the shout part, Say in Iruna goes further than Torams Say, and there are just 5 Servers as oposed to some servers + channels within each."

*That's.. actually interesting, so Iruna has The Legendary WORLD chat that Lays dormant forever in Toram World.
They definitely should have changed it's Name to something else, or not name the inter-channels message the same as the Inter-server message in the past game. Confusing.
I don't think I agree putting it on a Paid only thingy, but I can see why it would be like that. big function.

"If Some functions from Iruna came to Toram I'd be so happy; like groupchats or the better auto walk system Iruna has with actual pathfinding so I can chat while I run to a boss"

*I honestly think this function won't be coming for a simple reason:
Iruna has ridiculously confusing and dark (literal dark) maps, you can't see shit on some maps, when you do you will face multiple invisible walls making almost impossible to move around, and maps are loooooong.. If that function didn't exist, guess what this little rant of mine would have?
Toram maps are easy to understand, clear and lighted up (again literal light) with waaaaay less invisible walls. It's not needed, although if it does get implemented it would be a pretty good addition.

"Aaaaand finally, about the story. Not much really. There are bits here and there that feel different when you play Iruna before Toram. Like meeting Currone's ghost, seeing Kunon all grown up because she was but a child when you meet her in Iruna. Obligaus looks the same, still an alcoholic excpept Schlingel isn't there to try to kill him. Seeing Almas statue in HD, I still think a vagabond we met in Ethos fortress is Freedos' son or something, knowing about the catura and thinking where are the other species."

*Well, I believe that for Iruna players, toram could feel like "The next episode" or The "Aftermath" of things, I started on toram, and just as the Adventurer who doesn't know a thing about the world, I also don't know about the past, so I kinda feel like the main char would (If he likes discovering things from the past :v)
I know it's a little repetitive, but the feeling I'm having and trying to describe is actually something people who research Our world past might feel, and well, I don't know about you, but since Toram is my personal world (sometimes the only world I care/d about) I would be very emotional to seeing how things were before Toram.
Great to know obligaus is just the same old man, he's handsome AF tho~
I really want to find Almas in Toram, and the Catura really make me curious, just were are they really.. and were they came from..?

Sorry for asking a lot about Iruna mechanics and things, I don't like to bother, but I think it's better to get information directly.

 

Just like you, I played toram first & I feel the same thing when I played iruna. Its like knowing the history of the world before the cataclysm happened.

About watching it in utube. Yeah its true, the feeling is different compared on playing the game & experiencing the story urself.

 

I feel that I luckily left Iruna at the point before it started to be not newbie friendly. It was easy for me to enjoy Iruna 6 years ago because back then, I mine ores to make my own armor, go to group chats that has the word "buying" on the group title to sell loot, and I used a Throwing Weapon gifted to me despite being an Apprentice Wizard. (Nothing more newb friendly than a guy wearing all the wrong gear and still level in a game) xDDD

Raids in Iruna is just like the Whale event during the Collab event for that anime i dont watch, and the part of the Summer diving event where you fight a giant squid. It is a fight where literally just about anyone can join. Only difference from those Toram events is that Iruna raids have multiple MAIN STORY QUEST BOSSES in them instead of 1 collosal event exclusive boss. And since they are mq bosses, there is loot. The loot there is crazily sought after by late-game players, so they sell for a lot.

Most of the time, Raid leaders who made the raid instance dont care who joins them. As long as there is enough people, they run it asap. They realistically only need 4/5 people in the raid to fight and complete a run of the instance really, so the rest are essentially getting carried.

 

The Catura and Diel have the same origin; but they got separated by some events so they evolved slightly different. They both share super human strength and animal ears; difference being that Catura can speak the language of monsters while it seems that Diel just get along with em.
Iirc, there was a war amongst the Gods over the beauty of Specia, the Goddess of Species. It brought ruin to the world (It was kinda represented in the academy event, in a beauty paget thingy where all the gods where teachers and they refused to let the students win over the nurse, Specia) and Specia being the mother of all living, made a safe haven that was later known as the Dark Continent, it has an official name when they started relations with the mainland but I don't remember. In that place there are similar species as the ones on the mainland, just a little different.
Specia currently resides in Noverrie, since she is a very selfless goddess that sacrificed her own life to stop the fight over her. We've seen her 1st daughter Seele, which at some point was a devilish being that sucked the life out of you (She was only available during a sidequest, so when you meet her at the entrance to noverrie she asks if you remember her.), and her other daughter is Joshuca, which was imprisoned in an egg for many years (I doubt Specias parenting sometimes).

The exp system in Iruna firstly boosts the exp gained when in a party. Then it adds the lvl of all current pt members, and the exp gained by each is determined by how much of a % their own lvl is in the party total lvl. so if a 300+ player pts a lv15 player, their usual 100% by solo becomes like a 150%; I'm not sure about the exact numbers though, just an example.

Some jobs are extremely dependant at early lvls so don't worry. My Minstrel couldn't solo mq bosses at lv199, but someone helped me mq till Apos, grew to 205ish and with just a few resist and regen gears I've been soloing bosses that are 270+. It's just lv230something now and unfortunately Zolte hits a bit too hard, but really all jobs have moments when they suck and moments they are an unstopable force. Biggest buff for mins was being able to hold more songs, and at 200 I could finally hold 3 so I could farm megas quicker than monks 40 lvls higher than me, with 100k+ Dragonewt song and having Joy and Sorrow + Dream Song for sustain; can't wait to hold 4 songs at 240

 

"(Nothing more newb friendly than a guy wearing all the wrong gear and still level in a game)"
I don't know why, but this phrase warms my heart a little, perhaps because it vaguely remembers me of my starting days on toram, or something..
Or I'm having a heart attack. Who knows /'-')/

Whale was very cool, I only regret not playing it as much because it was very buggy. The best about the Whale was launching Magic: Arrows or Sonic Wave and see the skills chasing the Whale in mid air xD that was beautiful to watch. The anime is RE: Zero and I recommend it. Yes it is Isekai, but it was the second isekai to go popular in recent years before the stupid trend of blank fan services packed with clichés being animated and called "Animes".. *Looking at you How not to summon demon lord*, stupid soft porn.
Never fought giant squid sadly.
And that last quote.. I see really the only way to play this game is being carried by the high levels.. if it is the only *Viable* way then I feel less annoyed by it, but I wish this game had better leveling systems like toram. I mean, sometimes you will be stuck with 2% EXP Per kill bosses/mini bosses at Toram, but MQ is always a fat EXP boost that makes it worth doing.

One last question: Should I reset my Cleric? I want to make a monk, I thought that since monks are melee I had to prepare my stats for it, So I got 130 AGI and 83 CRIT. and while I love not getting hit by these dirty bosses (only for 3 seconds before getting hit to death) I noticed how INT actually matters for Monk skills and how easier my leveling would be with INT as a mage.
The only reason I don't reset is because 1: My friend who I forgot to give a friend invite and now can't talk to him) gave me a 220-something ATK knuckles and I want to use it, the guy helped me a lot. AND, I fucking refuse to do the Maya Cleric quest again, Spent Evil Eye 5 took me 2 hours to gather and holy shit the map where the rare little shit of a mob I had to kill spawns is the Forgotten Cave. MotherfuckingForgottenCave, This MESS of a "Map" were instead of doing a 2
centimeters jump I have to walk ALL AROUND THE MAP to get to the other point. Not to say how INFURIATING the invisible walls are in this specific aberration of a "Map" and it's subsequent lower level. (That's the point I started to get truly angry with the game By the way, I didn't mind all the googling and stuff, I kinda like researching even though the game should provide SOME information, this is were the ice started melting, to later explode))

Thanks a lot for the help. Although I'm very sad that this game can't be played solo when leveling, I like that at least there are methods to keep up with everyone. I doubt it will be as fun or efficient tho..

Talking about resets.. I forgot to talk about the character slots in this little rant of mine.. Huh, I guess it's too late and the chance is lost.
No regrets tho.
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It rimed >->

 

From a pure story perspective, Iruna isn't necessary to play, Toram's MQ give just enough TL;DRs so that you have a rough idea what happened in Iruna. Of course, if you're into the fine details, then by all means play Iruna (not newbie-friendly obviously, I basically got boosted so that I can rush MQ lol).

Iruna's MQ is still ongoing actually. If you thought learning Toram's past through Iruna was a blast, then have fun with learning Iruna's past(War of the Gods) directly through EP6 (Iruna's definition of Episode & Chapter are swapped, Episode > Chapter).

But if you just need details for Toram, then finishing EP1 would be enough, there's a side quest for Seele's origin as well in Capital City Saterica, and also several for the Homunculi/bottom of Eldenbaum in Capital City Elban.
For other details, EP2 would have you saving the 12 gods (well... 11, Specia's in Noieverre).
EP3 so far hasn't made a direct connection with the overall story, other than having Apostolia.
EP4 dives into the Dark Continent briefly mentioned in the Akaku Desert MQ.
EP5 goes into a parallel dimension where you'll eventually save Specia's other daughter.
And for EP6, restoring the flow of Iruna's past (War of the Gods). (And another game mechanic to learn, wow)
Other than EP3 (and perhaps EP6), you should see a pattern as to what the ultimate cause of these EPs is.

Most of the time, you're basically just cleaning up the mess made by the gods/random individuals.

 

Alright, I know you want to help by telling me, but I made it very clear I don't want to see or read the lore in any place aside from the game itself, coming from my screen and My experience. I'm curious about catura, that's why I want to find it out, alone. don't want to be rude but you missed an obvious signal.
+ Your other comments are useful tho.
I noticed how more members affected the EXP but didn't know it was that great.
Which honestly makes me wonder.. was the game designed so the High levels always Will be the leveling force of help for newbies? I swear this game looks like it was made to work Around the failing mechanics. At least they do something.. I guess .-.

And Btw.. I want to be a monk, currently using Knuckles, AGI CRIT Stats with only 5 INT and being Cleric lvl73. How fucked am I? Should I reset?

Thanks youu

 

You know, these days I'm coming to the philosophical conclusion that gods are merely Normal people with higher powers than you.
Just like we are normal but godly to ants, Iruna/Toram gods are normal but have sparky powars that go boom and createon of warld.
I had a stroke, sorry, I'm sleepy too xD

 

Yeaaaa sorry I just got caught up in story telling ^^"

And you're not really screwed, you're doing better than my first monk where I dumped into agi only and was unable to hit anything due to the lack of crt. Crt stat in Iruna also boosts your crt dmg so it's fine if you wanna be able to solo early on, something monk is great at doing. The usual set requires Dragon's Claw along Huge Cherry Blossom (HCB) and Soul Sucking Fang; Dragon's Claw is the cheapest out of those though, they're all Hp draining equips so with quick attacks you'll heal whatever dmg you take. Although the early lvls can be awkward. At 256 agi you'll be evading pretty consistently, but if you neglect your other stats you won't hit or be able to take one. imo add a bit of vit, get crt up to 100 or so and try to max agi. Chakra ups your atk by Int and the refinement on your weapon, but in my exp it's better to ensure your survival before your dps; unless you're sin or nin in which case you're dps is your survival

 

It is like "it is like story mode, but (with all the updates it became complicated and challenging thus) with extra steps".