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Why there are no Tanks oO

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Ninchen, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Alleura

    Alleura Well-Known Member

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    Protection and aegis are not directly reduce damage I believed.
    It's add resistance stat. Which is not good stat if you can't use it well.
    Something like N|P|M stat on monster when we are use it to exploit damage drop off (prorotation?).
    So when the buff ON, the 1st skill hit still received 100% damage, but the next skill 50% reduction,
    However, it's pointless if you got hit by bosses normal attack since it will reset to 100% damage.
    cmiiw
     
  2. saiyatan

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    IDK how it ended up like that I swear.
    No wonder all the reactions after my post.
    That also cleaned up the part of @Islandi post that made me like "wth?"
     
  3. Red_Fox

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    well, resistance is the same as reducing damage.
    did you even use the skills?
    the damage you take is reduced/increased as long as the skill is active.
    it does not loose it's effect when you get hit by a different attack.

    many monster can use both, physical and magical skills.
    you have to find out which one they use more often and which one is easier to avoid.
    then select the barrier that helps against the ones you can't avoid.

    example: red jellies spit slime and can use a tackle attack.
    the spitting attack is magical and cannot be avoided except by staying out of their range at all times.
    the tackle attack is physical, but it is a red zone attack, so it can be avoided.
    in this case use Aegis to reduce damage from their spit attack and try not stay in the red zone.
     
  4. Alleura

    Alleura Well-Known Member

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    Well, It's just my assumption based on monster thingy.
    I will try it latter.
    It's may be best skill for tanker then, because its easier mechanic.

    But still, these skill is conditional purpose.
    Protection only help reduce for physical skill only,
    Aegis only help reduce for magical skill only,
    maybe the next skill in this tree will be for normal attack.
     
  5. Red_Fox

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    almost right, but this is not poration.
    normal attacks from monsters are also either physical or magical.
    poration and elemental weakness works only from player to monster, but not backwards.
    monsters don't have poration and players don't have elemental weaknesses. (unless your equipment adds negative resistances)
     
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  6. Alleura

    Alleura Well-Known Member

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    well, let see.
    If the next skill after aegis is "neutral resistant" then protection/aegis can't work for normal attack reduction.
    same as monster we have 3 type of resistant.

    and, please forget about poration on player. I guess I am wrong.
    resistant may be direct reduction as you said.
     
  7. chalkie-kun

    chalkie-kun Well-Known Member

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    o_O Pretty sure you don't need 11k HP to tank Roga. With maxed Fighter's High, 3-4k HP would be enough.

    But I do agree that Vit-less Tank builds would become less and less effective as the cap goes higher(they're still very effective atm) since things such as Force/Magic Shield, HP Boost and Roga xtal give flat amount, and won't increase any further.
     
  8. Red_Fox

    Red_Fox Internet Pirate Super Likable Elite Member Epic Member

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    jellies and ghosts normal attacks are magical and get reduced by Aegis.
    stone soilders and goblins normal attacks are physical and get reduced by Protection.

    the next skill may as well raise guard rate or be a passive to further boost the effects of the previous skills.
    or if it removes the negative effects, it will allow to use both skills at once.
     
  9. BK

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    Protection is +50% physical resistance -25% magical resistance at lvl 10 Aegis is the same but +50% magical resistance -25% physical resistance, using both will give +25%, these skills are amazing and using them separately depending on which boss etc imo its better than gloria, and lasts for 10mins too, its 100mp but if u dnt have a shield equipped its 200mp
     
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  10. Ashavir

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    I use Protection 5 and Gloria 10. I laugh at Roga's 200dmg heavy dash. Got some good advice to take Protection to 10.
    BK, Fox take a look at this Hybrid and comment.
    Hard Hit , Astute, Trigger, Spiral 10.
    Sonic 5.
    Shield Mastery 5, Force Shield 5.
    Shield Bash 10.
    Safe 5, HP Boost 10
    Bless, Gloria 10
    Protection 5.
    5 unused points.

    Considering building:
    Staff user INT/MTL 1:1
    Brawler and Priest skills.
     
  11. Red_Fox

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    wait, how can you use sword skills without a sword?
     
  12. BK

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    Imo theres no need for shield bash to be lvl 10, the stun cooldown is around 15secs and ive noticed stun doesnt proc if it crits, if lvling up the skill reduces the stun cooldown then it would be worth maxing but at lvl1 it works amazingly well, if u have it at lvl 1 u could max protection and forceshield and then start to max magical shield for more hp, but this is what id do if it were my build
     
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  13. BK

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    Top is his current build, bottom is an idea
     
  14. Ashavir

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    Stun doesn't trigger on crit? You live and learn. Explains a bit.

    @Red_Fox What BK said, I'm a Swordy.
     
  15. BK

    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

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    Not as far as i know, well not once has mine stunned on a crit
     
  16. Red_Fox

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    well, somehow i want to say it does stun on crit, but i have no proof ...
    so far i only noticed that the proc chance is lower on bosses
     
  17. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

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    Is Sanctuary combo-able? Or not any more.
     
  18. BK

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    Its comboable
     
  19. saiyatan

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    ................. so its the only support skill that could be combo'ed or there are more?
     
  20. BK

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    There should be more, i think the lvl3 skills are comboable due to high mp usage but if not then i guess manual target skills and the aura skills arnt
     
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    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

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    Thanks, BK.
     
  22. Caskadia

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    I think one of the main problems of why there aren't a lot of tanks in the game is because tanking doesn't yield any merit yet, in most boss fights. We are just scratching the surface of bosses that actually require tanking to be able to beat them efficiently: IE - Roga

    Of course, there are tanks out there, and I can be proud to say that I have dedicated myself to tanking mostly.

    As to how a tank should be built, it all depends on the player. So long as they can keep aggro and survive hits, then that's really all a tank needs to work. Personally, I prefer Vit over Luk or other builds, because I like how Vit builds more HP with the higher the level and also increases defense.
     
  23. Ninchen

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    So my tank is slowly getting better and better
     
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    @Ninchen I'm curious, how do you keep aggro using your mage tank when you party with brawlers, swordies with Provoke + Rage Sword and snipers?
     

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